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To: DesertRhino
I would like to see anything that Rand wrote, which rejected morality as a basis for ANY dealings with anyone.

"Achievement of your happiness is the only moral purpose of your life, and that happiness, not pain or mindless self-indulgence, is the proof of your moral integrity, since it is the proof and the result of your loyalty to the achievement of your values." --Ayn Rand

It would probably be more accurate to say that she gutted morality, rather than rejected it.

24 posted on 08/28/2010 8:10:02 PM PDT by Mojave (Ignorant and stoned - Obama's natural constituency.)
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To: Mojave
The highest moral obligation one human being has to another is to never through force or fraud deprive them of the fruits of their labors or their life. That's the core of Objectivism.

If you have a problem with that there's something wrong with you, not Rand.

37 posted on 08/28/2010 8:17:24 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Mojave

And then she continues by saying if it makes you happy to help others, or to express love others, then you should do so. She just says that doing it solely because it makes you happy as a person is reason enough.
She *never* says that a person should not love a family, protect an elderly parent, or even help a stranger. She just says you should do it solely because it is what you wish to do. Never because you feel compelled by force, or some misguided sense of unearned obligation.

There’s no gutting of morality there whatsoever, unless of course, you think guilt or fear should be a person’s main motivation.


39 posted on 08/28/2010 8:20:27 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: Mojave
"Achievement of your happiness is the only moral purpose of your life, and that happiness, not pain or mindless self-indulgence, is the proof of your moral integrity, since it is the proof and the result of your loyalty to the achievement of your values." --Ayn Rand

It would probably be more accurate to say that she gutted morality, rather than rejected it.

Really. You should research a little more deeply than Wikipedia, and gain some insight into philosophy in general. What if you derive happiness from building homes in Africa? From running a soup kitchen or a homeless shelter?

Your mistake is in believing that Rand tried to dictate WHAT man's happines should be, rather than how to achieve it. Try highlighting the part of the quote that says "Not mindless self-indulgence", as it was Rand's belief that "Happiness is that state of consciousness which proceeds from the achievement of one’s values."

The achievement of one's values... that sounds like she was leaving it up to the individual to choose their values, rather than preaching that the values in question should be anything in particular.
78 posted on 08/28/2010 9:24:44 PM PDT by snowrip (Liberal? You are a socialist idiot with no rational argument.)
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