Posted on 08/28/2010 6:53:04 PM PDT by nickcarraway
An NYPD cop whose wife called 911 for help against a gang of thugs says he was brutally beaten by baton-wielding fellow officers who stormed his Queens home.
Larry Jackson suffered a broken right hand and multiple bruises from kicks and billy-club blows he said he got from the men in blue called to his home when a gunman menaced guests at his daughter's birthday party.
"To get my butt beat like that was unnecessary," said the six-year veteran assigned to the 110th Precinct. "We called the police, and this is what happened to me."
"I'm shocked, angry and disappointed," said the 6-foot-3, 300-pound Jackson.
Prosecutors and the NYPD Internal Affairs Bureau are probing his claims.
His hand in a cast, he met with the Daily News on Wednesday and lifted his shirt to show the scars from Sunday's early morning confrontation. Jackson, who is black, said the excessive force by the cops, who were white, might have been racially motivated.
"They didn't treat me like a house-owner calling for help," he said. "Everyone who lives in the 113th Precinct is not a perp."
Investigators from IAB took a DNA sample from Jackson on Wednesday and told his lawyer, Eric Sanders, it was for testing against the cops' batons, which have been confiscated.
Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said Jackson "was injured as a result of a dispute at the party." A spokeswoman did not return a call for further comment.
Jackson's wife, Charlene, made a 911 call around 1:15 a.m. Sunday as her unarmed husband faced down thugs armed with a gun and bats who showed up as partygoers started leaving his home in Rochdale.
"I told the 911 operator it's my daughter's 21st birthday and my husband is a police officer and there's a young man with a gun," she said.
"Who do we call now?" said Charlene Jackson, a city bus driver. "It's very hurtful to know you can't trust the police officers in your neighborhood. I feel like the 113th Precinct is our enemy."
Larry Jackson, wearing an apron with the slogan, "I'm the chef and I'm awesome," said he did not identify himself to the street thugs as a cop - but was able to convince them to leave.
They were slinking off when the first patrol car from the 113th Precinct roared up and a sergeant got out. Charlene Jackson said she tried to tell the sergeant what happened when her niece yelled from the house that there was a fight inside.
The sergeant's driver ran inside and struck a friend of the family with his baton, the Jacksons said.
The sergeant then pushed Larry Jackson with his baton, they said, and when Jackson grabbed the sergeant, another cop began choking him from behind.
Jackson was knocked down and fell on his 82-year-old mother-in-law who briefly lost consciousness, he said.
"I'm covering my face and getting hit everywhere," he said. "Then somebody pepper sprayed me."
The couple said cops hit at least six family members and friends with batons. Their stepson, a cousin and a nephew were charged with disorderly conduct. Larry Jackson's gun and badge were taken and he was placed on modified duty.
"What's most disturbing is there were supervisors on the scnee who did nothing," said Sanders of the Law Firm of Jeffrey Goldberg in Lake Success.
See! That’s hysterical...!
Someday let me tell you about the S.W.A.T team that invaded my home because they confused my address with a suspected drug dealer who lived down the block....
Too many tragic events begin with a person in trouble, or someone acting on their behalf, picking up the phone and dialing "911". Then, into this already tense situation come armed agents of the state whose very job it is to find things to "arrest" people for. This is not a recipe for solving problems, but for manufacturing them. It complicates a situation. Too often the person in trouble, or a family member, ends up being attacked or killed by the responding cops...
...Calling 911 has become too dangerous, since there is no situation so bad it can't be made worse by adding a cop, and since LEOs now have the "us vs. them" attitude drilled into them during their training...
I am not saying that the police do not have a hard and difficult and stressful job to, but they do have an attitude (they probably need to have one in order to do their job and to survive) that they bring to the scene that is dangerous to anyone who has attracted their attention.
While the person who called 911 may just know that they are the good guy, the police don't have a score sheet and are apparently trained to not assume anything and to treat everyone as a potential threat. Anyone who protests what the police do to get control of a situation are going to find themselves taken down hard and arrested.
There are a lot of stories out their about someone calling the police for all kinds of stuff and what happens when the police get there is not what they expected. Also because in addition to the attitude the police must have in order to do their job, there are also policies that they MUST follow in certain situations that result in a much bigger situation than the 911 caller ever thought would arise...
Girlfriend calls 911 because her boyfriend took the tv remote away from her and won't give it back to her. Neighbors call 911 because boyfriend is trying to keep girlfriend from getting into her car because she is off her meds and says she is going to kill herself by ramming the car into something at high speed. Husband calls 911 because wife is drunk and he's trying to get the car keys from her and she's not giving them up and he does not want to hurt her. Mom calls 911 because her son is off his meds and won't take them and is acting strange... Etc.
Now a lot of these situations are really no-wins for the cops too - They cannot be expected to fix something in a few minutes that has been going on for a long time that would probably take ten years of therapy or whatever to fix.
However, they will fix it their way. Separate the parties - One person always gets arrested. Problem solved...
Also, the person who called 911 did so because they knew they were the good guy and they want the police to come and bust the bad guy. Unfortunately the police arriving on the scene don't automatically know who is the good guy, and are trained not to make assumptions. So it is all too easy for things to go "the wrong way" once they are there...
On a personal note, I do not have parties at my house. I also do not allow certain family members who I have had trouble with in the past even in my house. Pretty much for the reasons listed above (as well as what I consider common sense doing all I can to avoid trouble).
Yes, I may be a bit paranoid. But I think a little paranoia is a good thing (and justified by events around us) these days...
Too many tragic events begin with a person in trouble, or someone acting on their behalf, picking up the phone and dialing "911". Then, into this already tense situation come armed agents of the state whose very job it is to find things to "arrest" people for. This is not a recipe for solving problems, but for manufacturing them. It complicates a situation. Too often the person in trouble, or a family member, ends up being attacked or killed by the responding cops...
...Calling 911 has become too dangerous, since there is no situation so bad it can't be made worse by adding a cop, and since LEOs now have the "us vs. them" attitude drilled into them during their training...
I am not saying that the police do not have a hard and difficult and stressful job to, but they do have an attitude (they probably need to have one in order to do their job and to survive) that they bring to the scene that is dangerous to anyone who has attracted their attention.
While the person who called 911 may just know that they are the good guy, the police don't have a score sheet and are apparently trained to not assume anything and to treat everyone as a potential threat. Anyone who protests what the police do to get control of a situation are going to find themselves taken down hard and arrested.
There are a lot of stories out their about someone calling the police for all kinds of stuff and what happens when the police get there is not what they expected. Also because in addition to the attitude the police must have in order to do their job, there are also policies that they MUST follow in certain situations that result in a much bigger situation than the 911 caller ever thought would arise...
Girlfriend calls 911 because her boyfriend took the tv remote away from her and won't give it back to her. Neighbors call 911 because boyfriend is trying to keep girlfriend from getting into her car because she is off her meds and says she is going to kill herself by ramming the car into something at high speed. Husband calls 911 because wife is drunk and he's trying to get the car keys from her and she's not giving them up and he does not want to hurt her. Mom calls 911 because her son is off his meds and won't take them and is acting strange... Etc.
Now a lot of these situations are really no-wins for the cops too - They cannot be expected to fix something in a few minutes that has been going on for a long time that would probably take ten years of therapy or whatever to fix.
However, they will fix it their way. Separate the parties - One person always gets arrested. Problem solved...
Also, the person who called 911 did so because they knew they were the good guy and they want the police to come and bust the bad guy. Unfortunately the police arriving on the scene don't automatically know who is the good guy, and are trained not to make assumptions. So it is all too easy for things to go "the wrong way" once they are there...
On a personal note, I do not have parties at my house. I also do not allow certain family members who I have had trouble with in the past even in my house. Pretty much for the reasons listed above (as well as what I consider common sense doing all I can to avoid trouble).
Yes, I may be a bit paranoid. But I think a little paranoia is a good thing (and justified by events around us) these days...
That would be because You Personally lack the intellect, integrity, and diligence to do so.
Reading the article might engender the conclusion that the posters you are haranguing do not in fact disparage all cops. They merely disparage bad cops.
Had you more integrity and less self righteousness, you might have looked at the posting histories of other people on this thread to see if they do indeed always accuse the gendarmerie of wrong doing...or whether they make judgments on a case by case basis.
That might require work on your part - but doing that would make you look like a bit less of a jerk.
Police come from the society they police. The very same two knuckle deep nose pickers here that will hate the police on sight, won't lift a finger to ensure their police are professional. They won't do a ride along, they won't get to know the city council, they won't go to a town council meeting. They just bitch.
This is a site filled with political activists. And bringing this type of behavior to the public square, and insuring that it is not swept under the rug before those less interested in the daily new is indeed part of taking a stand. With this issue, just like any other
If their local paper doesn't investigate reports of misconduct, why not?
This site, and blogs are rapidly replacing papers as the main artery for news. Type in the Keyword "DBM" and follow abb's postings. This is not sometime in the future - this is now. So posting online is getting things in the news
If I ran across unprofessional police, I would address it.
Not according to your earlier sentence:
I have never commented on the actual story.
By all appearances, you would attack anyone who did begin to address it.
But then, I can think.
Maybe you can, but there is little evidence of that in this thread. perhaps you have confused thinking with pontificating while ignoring the actual events reported to have taken place, or the circumstantial evidence corroborating the account given.
One more thing, If you are going to hold yourself up as a follower of Christ in your screen name, you might consider backing off on the obscenity and scatological references a tad. The Moderators would likely appreciate it - they have enough to delete as it is.
Go ahead. It might explain your issues.
” ... Also, the person who called 911 did so because they knew they were the good guy and they want the police to come and bust the bad guy. Unfortunately the police arriving on the scene don’t automatically know who is the good guy, and are trained not to make assumptions. So it is all too easy for things to go “the wrong way” once they are there...”
Yes I understand what you are saying. However, there is no excuse for beating and injuring someone who is not resisting, but in fact was seeking help!
An officer has a duty to know the situation before applying force to bear. In the case cited, the officers where out of control, and acting without discipline.
That the police would come out with and charge that the victim, a police officer himself, was involved with in a fight, and then falsely blamed his fellow officers whom he summed for help makes absolutely no sense. The police commander is negligent at best, and a criminal himself most probably! JMHO
Well, let’s deconstruct your babbling here.
1. Your opinion means little or nothing. The original post was because of the cheap and easy bootlicker comment:
“Where are the police bootlickers...? So that prompted the Code Orange segment from my home page. I didn’t comment on the story because our exchange, which you now want to be apart of, wasn’t about the story but about the irrational hatred of police, all police.
Either you miss that point or want to miss it. The posters couldn’t care less about the story. That was the point I was making which started your post. I was aware of it.
2. This site is filled with political activists? Says who? As far as I know it is filled with people from all walks of life looking for news and conservative views along with a few people who are pure jerks looking to have their own bigotry echoed. They are the “thorns among the roses.”
3. Your panties are in a twist but other than emotions, you really aren’t going anywhere with your screed. You so far haven’t brought anything to the table other than you don’t want me on your Christmas card list. I can live with that.
4. Now you also take things out of context,(no surprise). “If I ran across unprofessional police” and “I have never commented on the actual story” are both accurate. How does anyone here know what happened based on the news story? Or don’t facts matter to anyone? You know darned well that “If I ran across unprofessional police, I would address it” referred to personal contact with police. But an honest person would know that.
Finally, I tailor my interactions to the people who I post to. To thugs I talk at their level. To you, have I had to yet? You will notice that rational honest posters got a rational honest response. Code Orange Freepers got the interaction a Code Pink member would understand. Having a screen name doesn’t mean I always tolerate scum.
Oh, and until a year and a half ago I lived on a farm where I saw the county sheriff deputy on my road maybe twice a year, if that. Now that I live in the city the P.D. and firemen here seem nice and professional. It may be different in your state but the P.D. here don't have any immunity from prosecution.
So no, I'm not a cop hater. I don't hate the military either. I don't hate the state government. I don't hate the federal one either. I just think they need to be watched to make sure they function as intended.
A little less emotion and a lot more thinking will show you the inherent contradiction of having a lawful society and hating the people you hire to enforce the laws you pass.
Still too illiterate to read posting histories huh?
You produced zero rational responses in this thread.
And now you are bloviating to try and squirm out of being called on it.
Your screeds in their entirety would appear to be based on your personal enjoyment of lying.
If the posters in question do not always condemn the police, then that term - as you yourself defined it, does not accurately refer to them. Hence - you are a troll lying to produce a ruckus.
Your attempt to weasel out of that fact says everything about your personal intellectual capacity and integrity.
People are making fun of you on this thread for a reason, and it isn't your brilliance.
It is your basic lack of comprehension when you make statements that are internally inconsistent.
The moderators aren't having to remove the posts of the other people on this thread - they are capable of civil and intellectual discourse.
The incoherent problem child has been you.
Which seems to be a long winded way of saying;
“I know you are, but what am I?”
Point out a lie.
Point out an attempt to “weasel”
If people make fun of me, fine. Why should that be of concern to you? I don’t operate on a popularity motive.
Point out inconsistencies.
You seem a bit unhinged by this. Are you crying? There’s no crying on FR.
Basic rule: Innocent people look just like guilty people. There’s no tattoo on your forehead that says, “I’m the good guy”. So, in most cases, the interaction will be determined by your behavior.
An aggravating factor is the nature of the call and whether you happen to look like the person they’re looking for. If you’re male and come running out of an apartment where there’s a “man with a gun” call, you’re going to get stopped. If you take offense at that, you’re going to have problems. If you recognize they don’t know you’re innocent, keep your hands in plain sight, and cooperate in helping them figure out they’ve got the wrong person, you’ll be fine.
Yes, there’ll be the occasional authority-happy jerk (jerkettes sometimes too), but the percentage of them is lower than it is in most occupations involving authority, by virtue of the fact that those people are a burden on their employer, their managers, and their fellow officers. I’ve met a couple of them among the hundreds of peace officers I’ve interacted with over the years. They’re usually not around long.
My theory could be 100% wrong. In reality, the wife, while sipping a cup of tea, could have met the responding officers and said, “I say there old bean, we were about to start the fox hunt when some bounders with pistols arrived and challenged our guests to a duel.” The husband, with chef hat and apron stylishly adorning his 300 pound frame, then approached and said, “Tut tut and cheerio. I chastened the rogues and they departed post haste. The issue has been resolved. Would you care for some crumpets?” At that moment, the niece, Pricillica Vander Snot the Third, appeared at a window and exclaimed, “Mumsy, oh, Mumsy. There appears to be an altercation of sorts brewing in the drawing room. Would the constables be so kind to enter the premises and help restore order. The police then immediately proceeded to beat the family.
I have too many cop relatives to not know what the real story is.. the best one was a drunk who was just another civil servant cheating the taxpayer through shoddy incomplete work when he actually worked .. The worst is an outright criminal with a closet full of cocaine and guns confiscated without arrest ... his “retirement fund” ..
At one point (2004) a full 1/3rd of my local pd was in the court system for taking money from drug dealers.
For 7 years I drove home after working the graveyard shift past a local “cop bar” and watched HAMMERED cops stagger into their marked cars and drive home at 8am.
As far as your points 1 & 2 go both sides of the argument you are making are valid at different times ... and you know it.
As for point # 4 that cop in rural anytown is no different than you ,, of course the story and treatment he gets represents the standard treatment any “insider” gets. What about that cop in Ohio that murdered 4 wives? Funny how he was never really investigated until the 4th. Accidents happen...
When cops start going to jail for crimes they commit then we can talk ...
Someday let me tell you about the S.W.A.T team that invaded my home because they confused my address with a suspected drug dealer who lived down the block....
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Similar story here ,, my house was invaded, and my wife was handcuffed and verbally abused until I got home and broke it up because a punk who previously lived at our address was ratted out by his gf, The gf called from her cell phone and the cops had our address tagged to that phone ... The (well known to the cops) Perp was black , we are not ,, The cops couldn’t figure out they had a problem with identifying the person they wanted...
“I wonder if he ever thought to tell them, “I’m a cop””
Maybe he forgot to pay his union dues.
“Somehow, I doubt this was a high society social gathering.”
So your message is that people shouldn’t drink at parties in their homes and only high society should have a expectation of no beatings?
“Keyboard warriors are out tonight. What did you do, bond out?”
Well we know he’s not a cop if he bonded out because cops always take care of their own.
“The funny thing is, if you look over my posts to the morons here, I have never commented on the actual story.”
So you’re saying everything you posted is irrelevant to this thread and that you are a troll?
“The reason for owning these turds was to show that facts didn’t, “
You haven’t owned anyone.
“Are all cops thugs?”
DOJ studies have found that cops misuse force a high percentage of the time they use it.
DOJ studies have found 57% of cops admit to covering up for their fellow cops when they break the law.
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