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So Much for Stagnating Mac Growth
Tech Night Owl ^ | August 24th, 2010 | Gene Steinberg

Posted on 08/25/2010 3:41:47 AM PDT by Swordmaker

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1 posted on 08/25/2010 3:41:53 AM PDT by Swordmaker
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As usual the facts shoot down the FUD spreading rumor mongers, Mac sales are not languishing, iPads sales are not cannibalizing Apple notebook sales, and in fact, the opposite is the truth! PING!

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Discuss technical issues, software, and hardware.
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Apple Mac Computer Sales and Market Share Growth Ping!

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2 posted on 08/25/2010 3:47:50 AM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft product "insult" free zone!)
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In addition, sales to government soared 200%, which is 16 times faster than the rest of the market.

Given the current conditions and situation, do you think this is really good news?

3 posted on 08/25/2010 3:55:41 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: tacticalogic
At the same time, sales to consumers improved by roughly 35%, so it’s clear Macs aren’t losing their luster for home users either.

Impressive sales growth. We will see what the figures are for the next quarter, but I anticipate it will be more of the same.

I was in a Apple store last Saturday. The place was extremely crowed. There were over sixty people in line to buy an iPhone. I would imagine that some of those people are new Apple customers who may later more on to buying a Mac.

4 posted on 08/25/2010 5:21:49 AM PDT by stripes1776
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To: stripes1776

I’ll wait for a reponse the the question that was asked.


5 posted on 08/25/2010 5:25:38 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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> Given the current conditions and situation, do you think this is really good news?

While it's certainly unfortunate that the PC market in general is not doing as well, conservatives can take comfort in the fact that an innovative, capitalist American business is flourishing in otherwise tough times.

Regardless of your feelings about Apple or their products (I don't recall if you've said you're an Apple customer or not), it's nice to see signs that not all computer businesses are in trouble.

I don't have shares of any of these companies, but I imagine the holders of AAPL are pleased.

6 posted on 08/25/2010 6:39:03 AM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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While it's certainly unfortunate that the PC market in general is not doing as well, conservatives can take comfort in the fact that an innovative, capitalist American business is flourishing in otherwise tough times.

Given the political leanings of Apple's executives and directors, and the propensity of this adminstration to use government contracts to reward political allies and campaign contributors I'm sketical of attempts to portray it as nothing more than the technical superiority of the product. I'm not drinking that Kool Aid.

7 posted on 08/25/2010 6:46:13 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: tacticalogic
>> In addition, sales to government soared 200%, which is 16 times faster than the rest of the market.

> Given the current conditions and situation, do you think this is really good news?

I think I misunderstood your question, in my response above #6.

Perhaps you meant, is it a good idea for Apple to be selling computers to the government?

I personally don't have a problem with more Macs going into government offices; I use both Windows and OS-X extensively and I'm sure Macs would serve as well in those applications, with a small period of adjustment, similar to the adjustment necessary from XP to Win7.

8 posted on 08/25/2010 6:49:03 AM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: dayglored

Do you have any experience integrating MACs into a Windows Security Domain?


9 posted on 08/25/2010 6:51:39 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: tacticalogic
> Given the political leanings of Apple's executives and directors, and the propensity of this adminstration to use government contracts to reward political allies and campaign contributors I'm sketical of attempts to portray it as nothing more than the technical superiority of the product. I'm not drinking that Kool Aid.

My understanding is that Apple is the only American computer company that does NOT make political contributions.

All the major computer companies lean a little to the left. What's your point? Just bashing Apple? Microsoft leans at least as far left, AND make contributions to leftist political causes. That make you feel better?

There's no conservatively-politically-acceptable choice, sorry to say.

10 posted on 08/25/2010 6:52:24 AM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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Can’t speak to that, but NSA put out some time ago their recommendations for securing Macs in government use. I’m not sure if the current revision of that document would answer your questions or not.


11 posted on 08/25/2010 6:56:34 AM PDT by Sam_Damon
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To: dayglored

Let’s just say that I find the proposition that I have no reason to be suspicious of the political connections of a corporation who’s board of directors includes Al Gore to be dubious at best.


12 posted on 08/25/2010 7:00:13 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: dayglored
There's no conservatively-politically-acceptable choice, sorry to say.

From what I've read, Dell has consistently supported conservative political causes and candidates.

Being both a hardware and softare vendor does give Apple proponents the flexibility to comapare them to Microsoft or various hardware vendors, depending on what's convenient at the moment.

13 posted on 08/25/2010 7:05:04 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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> Do you have any experience integrating MACs into a Windows Security Domain?

I use Active Directory for authentication and authorization within my company's Windows Domain, but there are limits to its usefulness on account of its incompatibility and non-interoperability with most of our mission-critical applications, which are not from Microsoft. AD plays nicely with the Microsoft apps, in general.

We've addressed AD's incompatibility issues in a variety of ways; on the Macs we have VM's for talking to the Microsoft apps that are incompatible with anything but Windows. After fighting with AD for a couple years, we now use a combination of Samba and OpenLDAP for most of our applications very successfully.

Microsoft's Active Directory intentionally does not play well with non-Windows computers. It's designed to lock out anything that's not from Microsoft. Unless you're an all-Microsoft shop, using AD is a royal pain. Which is, of course, Microsoft's intention. As the marketshare leader, they historically haven't have any business motivation to make it possible to use anything else.

However, as more outfits discover the alternatives, my guess is that AD will be relegated to the All-Microsoft shops, and everyone else will find better ways to make things play nice.

14 posted on 08/25/2010 7:07:17 AM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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> Let’s just say that I find the proposition that I have no reason to be suspicious of the political connections of a corporation who’s board of directors includes Al Gore to be dubious at best.

Yawn. Nothing personal... but look at all the BoDs and you'll find there's nothing much different. If you've got a particular case on for Gore, so be it, avoid Apple's products. Done. I have no argument with your personal choices.

15 posted on 08/25/2010 7:11:27 AM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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What would be your assesment of the government’s ability to implement secure heterogenous networks?


16 posted on 08/25/2010 7:12:56 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: tacticalogic
> From what I've read, Dell has consistently supported conservative political causes and candidates.

Could be; I don't have stats close to hand, one way or the other.

> Being both a hardware and softare vendor does give Apple proponents the flexibility to comapare them to Microsoft or various hardware vendors, depending on what's convenient at the moment.

Or conversely, being a SYSTEM vendor, Apple doesn't compete with just Microsoft or just Dell. Rather, you have to assemble a SYSTEM from various PC software and hardware vendors, and then compare it to a Mac.

It's not "convenience", it's a matter of definitions.

17 posted on 08/25/2010 7:14:53 AM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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Yawn. Nothing personal... but look at all the BoDs and you'll find there's nothing much different. If you've got a particular case on for Gore, so be it, avoid Apple's products. Done. I have no argument with your personal choices.

So basically, if you don't like Apple, don't buy the product but you don't have any business questioning those government contracts? I'm afraid we're going to disagree about that.

18 posted on 08/25/2010 7:18:28 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: dayglored
Or conversely, being a SYSTEM vendor, Apple doesn't compete with just Microsoft or just Dell. Rather, you have to assemble a SYSTEM from various PC software and hardware vendors, and then compare it to a Mac.

It's not "convenience", it's a matter of definitions.

Microsoft doesn't do that, but the comparison to MS will show up, even in purely hardware related threads.

19 posted on 08/25/2010 7:26:07 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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> So basically, if you don't like Apple, don't buy the product but you don't have any business questioning those government contracts? I'm afraid we're going to disagree about that.

Hardly -- you're welcome to your opinion and you can question whatever you want, as can I.

I'm just saying, if you don't like Apple's products, or Apple's BoD, don't buy their products. Your boycott of their products is entirely your right and I encourage you to express your opinion that way. But there's no additional screaming need to come to an Apple thread and pee all over it, to no overall good effect. :)

That is, IMO, the conversation about network security is cogent. Pissing and moaning about Al Gore, not so much; been there, done that. YMMV.

20 posted on 08/25/2010 7:31:04 AM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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