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This was one of the most uncomfortable scenes I have ever watched on a television show. First, the subject-matter is just uncomfortable, but second - and most importantly - I couldn't help but think what was going through the mind of this YOUNG actress while she's being given direction on this "act" by some middle-aged man director on a sound-stage surrounded by teamsters. What kind of parent puts their kid through this?

The "actress", Kiernan Shipka, was born November 10, 1999

1 posted on 08/24/2010 9:10:15 AM PDT by OldDeckHand
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Well, I had to giggle when it turns out that Sally was "aroused" by the tied and bound image of "Ilya Kuriakin" from Man from Uncle. One of the reasons I watch the show is the jarring nostalgia, the way I'd forgotten about so many things from my childhood--the chain-smoking, the fashions, the attitudes.

We know a little bit more about the writer of this show, don't we? A little bondage, maybe? Like getting turned on by the effeminate character from a sixties spy show?

2 posted on 08/24/2010 9:14:30 AM PDT by Mamzelle (Cameras, cameras--never forget to bring your cameras)
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I find the show philosophically Nihilist.

I can’t watch.


3 posted on 08/24/2010 9:17:18 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Why are 100% of Rape / Assaults in Oslo, Norway, committed by Muslims?)
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I am seriously considering not watching that show anymore. At least when Peter Weir directed “Witness” he told the child actor playing the Amish boy viewing the crime just to look through a door; the rest of the scene showing the murder was filmed separately and not mentioned to that juvenile thespian. But this most recent episode was despicable and at the very least I am complaining. It is one thing to have an adult actress portraying self-gratification, but showing a little girl is, well, child pornography. Unsurprisingly some men lust for this subject. (I turned off the sound during those scenes once I realized what was going on...ugh.)


4 posted on 08/24/2010 9:21:08 AM PDT by Andrea19
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I was wondering what they told her. It’s entirely possible they directed her to act more ‘sneaky’ than ‘naughty’. Clever editing takes care of the rest.


11 posted on 08/24/2010 9:25:04 AM PDT by moehoward
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Mad Men is fiction. On cable. Don’t like it? Don’t watch it. You seem to be advocating censorship, yes?


12 posted on 08/24/2010 9:25:04 AM PDT by pabianice
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I watch the show with a one week lag, but I don’t mind the spoiler.

The best scene in the previous episode was when Draper asked his secretary to type her own letter of resignation. They had developed his passive-aggressiveness well.

As for the most recent episode, sexual awakening occurred then for many of us who read FR. I hope they used a double for this little girl.

The era was most interesting, but much of the liberal disease that afflicts us can be traced to 1963-1969. I love the details: the wall hangings, lamps, buzzer to the secretary, typewriters with ribbons, liquor in the office, chain smoking, dead from lung cancer at age 52 etc.


15 posted on 08/24/2010 9:29:33 AM PDT by cicero2k
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She was sitting on the couch, fully clothed. The only direction would have been, “Sit there and stare into space”. Nothing was shown. It was all covered in the reaction of the friend’s mother and the subsequent conversation with Betty.

Criticize the subject matter, but don’t imply that Miss Shipka was somehow shown on-screen ‘in the act’.


17 posted on 08/24/2010 9:34:22 AM PDT by Textide
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I was enjoying the precise art direction. However, I got to the place where the characters were so nauseating, that I couldn’t care about them any more.


19 posted on 08/24/2010 9:36:44 AM PDT by SMARTY ("What luck for rulers that men do not think." Adolph Hitler)
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I couldn't help but think what was going through the mind of this YOUNG actress while she's being given direction on this "act" by some middle-aged man director on a sound-stage surrounded by teamsters. What kind of parent puts their kid through this?

That's been bothering me as well. I really think they could have come up with another vehicle to illustrate Sally's growing disfunction stemming from her parents' divorce, although, I suppose it wouldn't win them an award for being "cutting edge".

28 posted on 08/24/2010 10:03:29 AM PDT by FrdmLvr ( VIVA la SB 1070!)
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What kind of parent puts their kid through this?

Only idiots. Period.

31 posted on 08/24/2010 10:15:06 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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I eagerly bought the first season. Watched it expecting it to be wonderfully nostalgic and stylish. But the stories turned out to be lame sex soap operas, not the culture, business, and creative side I wanted. Never thought once about picking up season two.


32 posted on 08/24/2010 10:21:07 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Anything worth doing, is worth doing badly at first.)
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I am still watching the first season. I especially like the very first episode. It seems like a good show but there are so many people to figure out....lol.


40 posted on 08/24/2010 11:34:14 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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I watched it, and I love it.

About time the toll of divorce gets a public hearing. My mom was Betty Draper. Period. My mom, however, was stoned a good bit of the time.

Dad worked three jobs.

Thank God for the Catholic Church and the Boy Scouts of America. I avoided the meth and coke habit my younger brother picked up. My youngest is five years younger, and had the benefit of some correction enforced by my Dad on my mom.

I hope the touch on all the new age crap that made the rounds at the time. EST and TM were big in my house. I have friends in my company whose parents were part of a Christian commune, which was more commune and less Christian.


44 posted on 08/24/2010 11:55:32 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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I walked in on my parents once when I was little. I thought they were “wrestling”.


54 posted on 08/24/2010 4:30:41 PM PDT by InternetTuffGuy
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