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1 posted on 08/13/2010 10:40:53 AM PDT by Justaham
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"Islam has always been a hemorrhoid / pimple / herpes outbreak on Civilization."

Much more accurate.

71 posted on 08/13/2010 11:39:08 AM PDT by kromike
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“...Islam Has Always Been a Part of America..”

Yep - ever since the USS Enterprise blasted the first Tripoli pirate ship out of the water in 1801.....


72 posted on 08/13/2010 11:41:04 AM PDT by PGR88
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John Quincy Adams, who served in various capacities, including as President of the U. S., in his lengthy 50th Anniversary "Jubilee" Address before the New York Historical Society in NYC, retraces the history of America's development. In one section of that Address, he stated some interesting conclusions about the various laws of nations. Here are excerpts:

"The Declaration of Independence recognized the European law of nations, as practiced among Christian nations, to be that by which they considered themselves bound, and of which they claimed the rights. This system is founded upon the principle, that the state of nature between men and between nations, is a state of peace. But there was a Mahometan law of nations, which considered the state of nature as a state of war - an Asiatic law of nations, which excluded all foreigners from admission within the territories of the state - a colonial law of nations, which excluded all foreigners from admission within the colonies - and a savage Indian law of nations, by which the Indian tribes within the bounds of the United States, were under their protection, though in a condition of undefined dependence upon the governments of the separate states. With all these different communities, the relations of the United States were from the time when they had become an independent nation, variously modified according to the operation of those various laws. It was the purpose of the Constitution of the United States to establish justice over them all.

"The commercial and political relations of the Union with the Christian European nations, were principally with Great Britain, France, and Spain, and considerably with the Netherlands and Portugal. With all these there was peace; but with Britain and Spain, controversies involving the deepest interests and the very existence of the nation, were fermenting, and negotiations of the most humiliating character were pending, from which the helpless imbecility of the confederation afforded no prospect of relief. With the other European states there was scarcely any intercourse. The Baltic was an unknown sea to our navigators, and all the rich and classical regions of the Mediterranean were interdicted to the commercial enterprise of our merchants, and the dauntless skill of our mariners, by the Mahometan merciless warfare of the Barbary powers. Scarcely had the peace of our independence been concluded, when three of our merchant-vessels had been captured by the corsairs of Algiers, and their crews, citizens of the Union, had been pining for years in slavery, appealing to their country for redemption, in vain. Nor was this all. By the operation of this state of things, all the shores of the Black sea, of the whole Mediterranean, of the islands on the African coast, of the southern ports of France, of all Spain and of Portugal, were closed against our commerce, as if they had been hermetically sealed; while Britain, everywhere our rival and competitor was counteracting by every stimulant within her power every attempt on our part to compound by tribute with the Barbarian for peace.

"Great Britain had also excluded us from all commerce in our own vessels with her colonies, and France, notwithstanding her alliance with us during the war, had after the conclusion of the peace adopted the same policy. She was jealous of our aggrandizement, fearful of our principles, linked with Spain in the project of debarring us from the navigation of the Mississippi, and settled in the determination to shackle us in the development of the gigantic powers which, with insidious sagacity, she foresaw might be abused.

"Notwithstanding all these discouragements, the inextinguishable spirit of freedom, which had carried your forefathers through the exterminating war of the Revolution, was yet unsuppressed. At the very time when the nerveless confederacy could neither protect nor redeem their sailors from Algerian captivity, the floating city of the Taho beheld the stripes and stars of the Union, opening to the breeze from a schooner of thirty tons, and inquired where was the ship of which that frail fabric was doubtless the tender. The Southern ocean was stiff vexed with the harpoons of their whalemen; but Britain excluded their oil, by prohibitory duties and the navigation act, from her markets, and the more indulgent liberality of France would consent to the illumination of her cities by the quakers of Nantucket, only upon condition that they should forsake their native island, and become the naturalized denizens of Dunkirk.

"In the same year, when the Convention at Philadelphia was occupied in preparing the Constitution of the United States for the consideration of the people, two vessels, called the Columbia and the Washington, fitted out by a company of merchants at Boston, sailed upon a voyage combining the circumnavigation of the globe, discovery upon the shores of the Pacific ocean, and the trade with the savages of the Sandwich islands, and with the celestial empire of China, all in one undertaking. The result of this voyage was the discovery of the Columbia river, so named from the ship which first entered within her capes, since unjustly confounded with the fabulous Oregon or river of the West, but really securing to the United States the right of prior discovery, and laying the foundation of the right of extension of our territory from the Atlantic to the Pacific ocean."

73 posted on 08/13/2010 11:42:44 AM PDT by loveliberty2
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Yeah, don’t you remember learning about the Nina, the Pinta, and the Fatwa?

Delusionary rhetoric like this does nothing more than damage an already ailing credibility. And standing by statements that are demonstrably false destroys it.


75 posted on 08/13/2010 11:46:13 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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” Islam’s role in advancing justice, progress, tolerance, and the dignity of all human beings”

I remember their role on September 11, 2001.


76 posted on 08/13/2010 11:46:49 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (I aspire to a large carbon footprint; just like Al Gore's)
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Barack Obama’s Latest Crackpot Claim: “Islam Has Always Been a Part of America in my experience”

Finished it for him. NOW it's correct.

77 posted on 08/13/2010 11:53:56 AM PDT by DustyMoment
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Y’all thinking like Westerners. Facts and logic aren’t important to this dude. What’s important to him is to SAY this, loudly - then people will see what a wonderful, tolerant, and empathetic person he is and be overcome with emotion and love for our Muslim brothers.


80 posted on 08/13/2010 12:05:11 PM PDT by BusterBear
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In a way, they have always been a part of American history (though not part of America).

Jefferson Versus the Muslim Pirates ~ Christopher Hitchens
America’s first confrontation with the Islamic world helped forge a new nation’s character.

82 posted on 08/13/2010 12:06:01 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: Justaham

NO SALE flag is up.


83 posted on 08/13/2010 12:18:18 PM PDT by Vaduz
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bump


84 posted on 08/13/2010 12:36:22 PM PDT by lowbridge (Rep. Dingell: "Its taken a long time.....to control the people.")
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Muslims provide support to others to advance opportunity and prosperity for people everywhere. For all of us must remember that the world we want to build – and the changes that we want to make – must begin in our own hearts, and our own communities.

These rituals remind us of the principles that we hold in common, and Islam’s role in advancing justice, progress, tolerance, and the dignity of all human beings.


86 posted on 08/13/2010 12:38:21 PM PDT by lowbridge (Rep. Dingell: "Its taken a long time.....to control the people.")
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What contributions has Islam made to America? I want to see his list.. they are a pre renaissance culture , the only thing they have is oil


88 posted on 08/13/2010 12:59:06 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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These rituals remind us of the principles that we hold in common, and Islam’s role in advancing justice, progress, tolerance, and the dignity of all human beings.

Come on, that's too preposterous to be effective satire.

I don't think even Obama has the gall to say something so obviously untrue.

Whoever penned this needs to do better.

89 posted on 08/13/2010 1:05:08 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (I'd rather take my chances with someone misusing freedom than someone misusing power.)
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Saying that Islam or the Muslims have contributed to America is like saying that syphilis has contributed to America.


90 posted on 08/13/2010 1:21:26 PM PDT by Nosterrex
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So Paul Revere and William Dawes weren't warning that "the Red Coats were coming" but they were sounding the Muslim Call to Prayer? Suppose it could be misunderstood that way, given the Bostonian Accent that had to be in play.
He said to his friend, "If the infidels march
By land or sea from the town to-night,
Hang a lantern aloft in the minaret arch
Of the North Mosque as a signal light,--
One if by land, and two if by sea;
And I on the opposite shore will be,
Ready to ride and spread the alarm
Through every Middlesex caliphate and farm,
For the country folk to be up and to pray.

91 posted on 08/13/2010 2:17:41 PM PDT by NonValueAdded ("Obama suffers from decision-deficit disorder." Oliver North 6/25/10)
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Can anyone name one damned positive thing that a muslim contributed to this nation since it was founded?


94 posted on 08/13/2010 4:23:03 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, A Matter Of Fact, Not A Matter Of Opinion)
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Yup, these tiny little mosques were all over the settling of this great nation...Only they were cleaner and more wholesome.


98 posted on 08/13/2010 4:36:36 PM PDT by King Moonracer (Bad lighting and cheap fabric, that's how you sell clothing.....)
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