Too bad the feds have seen to it that none of us can "legally" own one.
Posted on 08/11/2010 5:10:45 AM PDT by marktwain
Capt. John Raguso keeps threatening to send us a review of Kel Tec’s smokin’ SUB-2000 9mm carbine. Today, Hi-Point Carbines drops the news that their long awaited .45 ACP rifle is ready to rock and roll. These handgun-caliber carbine may be gaining favor over the venerable 12-gauge as the weapon of choice for hom defense. And for good reason. In fact, here are four. . .
1. Less recoil than a shotgun
While home defense shotguns put an awful lot of lead downrange with a single trigger squeeze, shooters pay the price with a big ole’ wallop to their shoulder. That’s no big thing for big people who’re comfortable with firearms (who may, in fact, like the kick). And in the heat of battle, who cares? But if a gun is formidable to fire (i.e. painful), its owners are FAR less likely to practice. If they don’t, they will not be confident and accurate.
Even in .45 ACP, handgun-caliber carbines have minimal recoil, relatively speaking. The lower recoil makes the rifles far more attractive to women, teens and (let’s be honest here) small-framed men. They can also put a lot of lead downrange. BONUS! Quick mag changes are easier than reloading a shotgun.
2. Quieter than a shotgun
The state prohibitions against silencers really piss me off. (Somebody was watching way too many spy movies.) Meanwhile, shotguns are ridiculously, enormously loud. While a handgun caliber carbine will make plenty of noise, a shooter stands a chance of being able to hear something after firing—which could save their life. Comparing the two firearms genres, handgun caliber rifles will definitely reduce a shooter’s chances of permanent, perhaps even catastrophic hearing loss.
3. Better than a handgun
So’s a shotgun. But again, there are plenty of people who find shotguns intimidating. In that sense, handgun caliber carbines hit the sweet spot. Thanks to the carbines longer sight radius, they’re easier to aim than a handgun, And more intimidating (i.e. visible)
Handgun caliber carbines increase bullet speed and, thus, penetration. Hi-Point says their .45 ACP’s longer barrel increases velocity figures between 80-200 FPS (feet per second) over a like-chambered handgun.
4. Less expensive
To my way of thinking, a semi-automatic weapon is the best home defense shotgun. A good one costs the thick end of a grand. This Hi-Point .45 ACP Carbine costs $330. The SUB-2000 goes for $409.
I love shotguns. But the handgun caliber carbines may be better for more people. The market will speak.
Specifications for Hi-Point .45 ACP Carbine:
Price: $330 MSRP Finish: Special high-durability black powder coat Stock: Black molded polymer-(with standard upper and lower Picatinny rails). Barrel length: 171/2-inches Overall length: 33-inches Weight: 71/2-pounds. Magazine capacity: 9-rounds. Sight: Adjustable front post and adjustable rear (ghost ring) Warranty: Lifetime on parts and labor that follows the gun. Manufacturer: Hi-Point of Mansfield Ohio-every part is made in the U.S.A. Factory affordable options are available: Folding grip, laser, scope sight, etc.
Taurus calls it “The Judge”
I don't get your comment?
I had two until a month ago. Sold my spare to a local guy for $750. which is $300 more that I paid for it new several years ago. I kept the best one, mine has a threaded barrel and is suppressed, I also put a Choate folding stock on it. Still have the original too.
The Judge makes a great “anti-carjacking” gun. One .410 blast to the face will blind the perp and tear up their face pretty bad. I load mine with the .410 in the first two chambers and full house .45Colt in the last three.
Too bad the feds have seen to it that none of us can "legally" own one.
the other poster wrote 4-10 and I thought it was funny.
Usually when asked if someone copy’s on a transmission the reply is 10-4. There are some people who are comedians on the airways and reverse it saying 4-10.
The poster meant to write .410
The prohibitions are federal as well. It was gangster movies, Alphonse Capone type gangsters plus Bonnie and Clyde type freelancers, that got the federal laws tightly controlling silencers, machine guns, and short barreled shotguns. The real gangsters were using such weapons, but they of course ignored the new laws anyway.
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Thanks for your help. It’s not really the mess I am worried about, it was my husband’s objection :) He’s doesn’t want to have to do drywall repair.
Didn’t know shotguns come in semi-automatic. Does one also come short barreled? That would eliminate 2 of his objections.
He’s a great guy... married 30 years. But he doesn’t really want a gun for HD like I do.
12 inch or so would be even better.. if not for that stupid federal law. You would lose magazine capacity in a standard tubular magazine, but there are some with box type magazines.
and loud, too
“But to skip right over attempts to scare him away WHEN CONDITIONS ALLOW is almost as foolish.”
I prefer to think of it as indicating to the intruder that his best course of action is to LEAVE IMMEDIATELY. I agree this should only be done WHEN CONDITIONS ALLOW. Most of us will not be facing teams of armed assassins or the Manson Family coming for us. 99.999% of the time it will be some sneak thief looking for a thrill and a few bucks, NOT a firefight. What can he possibly gain by starting a gunfight when all the odds are against him?
makes bigger holes
Now if it were only, possible to suppress a shotgun, hmmmmm....
Same goes with a taser. A taser is better than nothing for those folks who have made the decision not to have a firearm for home defense.
So the BG enters the house with an illegal/stolen firearm to face grandma with a cane at best.
Kind of wish grandma was allowed to possess a taser.
yup ... but any kind of carry is illegal here in illinois so i would never have a loaded one in my car
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My mistake. I see you were talking about .410.
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