Posted on 08/10/2010 5:52:22 AM PDT by Michael Zak
On this day in 1863, Frederick Douglass (R-MD) met with President Abraham Lincoln (R-IL) for the first time. Senator Samuel Pomeroy (R-KS) escorted Douglass to the War Department building. On arrival, Douglass urged Secretary of War Edwin Stanton to allow equal pay for African-American soldiers in the U.S. Army. Though sympathetic, Stanton said that would require congressional approval, which he supported.
Next, Douglass was introduced to the president at the White House. Lincoln stood and shook his hand "just as you have seen one gentleman receive another," Douglass later recounted. "I at once felt myself in the present of an honest man on whom I could love, honor and trust without reserve or doubt... Mr. Lincoln was not only a great president, but a great man too great to be small in anything. In his company I was never in any way reminded of my humble origin, or of my unpopular color."
... Frederick Douglass said Lincoln's name "should never be spoken but with reverence, gratitude and affection," and he knew him to be "the greatest statesman that ever presided over the destinies of this Republic."
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and to think, if the south had had the foresight to use the blacks as soldiers instead of slave labor, they might have even won.
Instead they didn’t want to see blacks as equals and instead decided to go at it despite a very large numerical disadvantage.
Fact: Outnumbered, the CS Army contracted thousands of black laborer to build fortifications; especially around Atalanta and Richmond. Cooks, musicians, ambulance drivers were almost all black. So when you read the south had 45K troops and the north had 60k troop at some battle, in reality the south probably had close to parity when you add in support from blacks in logistical roles.
And yet they keep coming. The South's demise was actually caused by the invention of Air Conditioning in the early 1960's, sissy Northerners could come South, pollute the southern body politic and live in Air Conditioned comfort........
I don't see the part where I called the confederacy a country, but if you agree with me on that then you must agree with the rest of the comparison as well?
If your measure is a decentralization of power then nothing could be further from the truth. Davis consolidated power in Richmond in ways Lincoln never dreamed of.
Hate, hate, hate. Hate the U.S. and anything and everything to do with it. It's what Lost Causer's excel at.
I am not in the camp that faults either Davis or Lincoln for wartime usurpation of executive power. Lincoln was not the President of my ancestors, so criticizing the internal politics of a foreign country, the USA(1861-1865), is not my thing-hypocritical to do so.
President Davis's usurpation was done in desperation, so I do not fault him either as long as post war he knew a free republic would emerge in the south along the lines of the original founding intent (art. of Confederation). Nothing that Davis said post war leads me to conclude otherwise.
Lincoln usurpation of power was to destroy the republic of our founders. Conversely, Davis's usurpation was to restore the republic post war. Pretty much the same thing to different goals.
I read all your posts. And highly entertaining they are, too.
I am not in the camp that faults either Davis or Lincoln for wartime usurpation of executive power.
No, you are in the camp that labels Lincoln a Nazi for actions that pale by comparison with those of Davis.
President Davis's usurpation was done in desperation, so I do not fault him either as long as post war he knew a free republic would emerge in the south along the lines of the original founding intent (art. of Confederation).
That would assume that having ignored his constitution at will, centralized power into his own hands, and run his country like a police state Davis would suddenly do a 180 and establish the kind of free republic you visualize in your dreams. That is expecting a lot. Without any evidence that Davis was inclined to do it.
Lincoln usurpation of power was to destroy the republic of our founders. Conversely, Davis's usurpation was to restore the republic post war.
Like I said, I always find your posts highly amusing.
Actually the two largest migrations in the last century were south to north. It wasn't the invention of air conditioning that reversed that trend, it was the enforcement of civil rights.
Life changed immensely in the 20th century as air conditioning and refrigeration systems became more efficient, controllable, and even mobile. No longer dependent on the weather for work or play, humans truly made the environment adapt to their needs. Climate control became so reliable and affordable it grew from an invisible luxury to a common necessity. By the end of the century, nearly 70 percent of U.S. households had air conditioning. Now people can live and work in glassed-in or windowless buildings, in porchless houses, or in the warmest and most humid places. In the United States alone, air conditioning reversed a century-long pattern of migration out of the southern cities.
Another myth: Central_va can read what’s typed instead of what he wants to read.
I didn’t say the CSA didn’t use black soldiers, poor, misguided souls that they were. I SAID they used blacks as slave labor and 99% of the possible soldiers they COULD HAVE USED from the black population were exactly that.
Fail.
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