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1 posted on 07/24/2010 6:55:22 PM PDT by blackbart.223
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I have an older version, a P13 with the Para-Ordnance lower and a Colt Series 70 upper. No problems at all.


2 posted on 07/24/2010 7:19:55 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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I used to have one, it DID jam and had to be sent back to get worked on!

I got rid of it.


3 posted on 07/24/2010 7:28:11 PM PDT by Carbonsteel
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it that one of the ones without the beaver tail, does it bite???

the .45 carry 12 is likely me next purchase

4 posted on 07/24/2010 7:28:37 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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My humble input:

1. It's too heavy for my taste, though relatively light for a 1911 variant.

2. about 75% of these ParaOrdnance pistols shoot without problems and if you have one of those, it's a bargain. However, some of them DO jam. It's a "quick and good enough" manufacturing method...so get yours to the range and put NO LESS than 200 rds through it. If you have not problems, you got a good one.

I like the original Colt Officers' Model 1911. And while I like .45 1911's, they are dated (yes, I think John Moses Browning should have a 30ft statue on the Capitol Mall in DC) and prefer, above all, the modern .45s.

Beretta. Sig, HK etc.

5 posted on 07/24/2010 7:31:34 PM PDT by Mariner (USS Tarawa, VQ3, USS Benjamin Stoddert, NAVCAMS WestPac, 7th Fleet, Navcommsta Puget Sound)
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Sometimes on a 1911, it becomes finicky about the type of ammo you feed it. Try to feed it something like a truncated cone or a hollow point round, it fails to feed. Feed it 230gr ball, and it might work just fine.

Sometimes, it can be the lips on the mag and how the mag presents the round to the feed ramp.


6 posted on 07/24/2010 7:31:59 PM PDT by NVDave
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I’ve had a P12, a regular single-stack LDA Limited, and a Warthog. The only one that had problems was the warthog and I think I caused them by having small hands. I have problems with short barrel .45’s. The P12 I had was problem free.


7 posted on 07/24/2010 7:43:22 PM PDT by Dayman
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Never. It is my primary.


8 posted on 07/24/2010 7:44:53 PM PDT by Kirkwood
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Shorty 1911’s can be finicky. My experience seems to indicate that 100% reliability came with either Commander(4” to 4 1/4” guns,) or full size guns. There are some reliable short guns around, though. It may take a little tuning, or you may have the right ammo already, Ammo, magazine lips, feed ramp, are some of the areas that sometimes need to be looked at. The short 1911’s have a shorter stroke, stiffer springs to make up for a lighter slide, so the return stroke is faster. All those things can make the shorty guns a bit more cranky.


14 posted on 07/24/2010 8:16:00 PM PDT by Quickgun (As a former fetus, I'm opposed to abortion. Mamas don't let your cowboys grow up to be babies..)
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Mariner put it well in terms of my own experience. Para’s quality control is not very good. I understand that they’re trying to maintain price point, but IMO, it’s realtively easy to explain a small price increase because of increased material cost. Apologies in the face of failure result in permanent loss of business.


16 posted on 07/24/2010 8:23:35 PM PDT by sig226 (Bring back Jimmy Carter!!!)
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It is my Brother’s only gun. He does not fire it a whole lot but says it has been completely reliable. Not sure what ammo he uses, probably the cheapest he can find.


18 posted on 07/24/2010 8:42:17 PM PDT by yarddog
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I have a Toyota. It’s never raced out of control. You?


19 posted on 07/24/2010 8:54:55 PM PDT by KarinG1 (They should put the terror watch list online so we'd know who to drag out and feed to the gators.)
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I’ll match skills with anyone at 45’ ... you choose your stock pistol (no match pistols) and I’ll use my little ‘ol pistol. Let’s see how it turns out.


20 posted on 07/24/2010 8:56:29 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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My buddy has the 9mm Para Ordnance Taurus. The thing is absolutely bulletproof. Never jams, even with cheapo ammo. He loaned it to me for a little more than a year a while back, and I absolutely loved it. What a machine. Thousands of rounds, never once jammed.

;-/

29 posted on 07/24/2010 9:34:58 PM PDT by Gargantua (The "Second Death")
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My buddy has the 9mm Para Ordnance Taurus. The thing is absolutely bulletproof. Never jams, even with cheapo ammo. He loaned it to me for a little more than a year a while back, and I absolutely loved it. What a machine. Thousands of rounds, never once jammed.

;-/

31 posted on 07/24/2010 9:38:16 PM PDT by Gargantua (The "Second Death")
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Polish the load ramp with a Dremel tool small buffer wheel and SemiChrome polish until it’s mirror finish. No problem.


71 posted on 07/24/2010 11:39:34 PM PDT by Dixie Pirate (Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition.)
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To help with your terminology, guns don’t “jam.”

They “malfunction.”

This can be a failure to feed, failure to fire, or failure to extract. It’s helpful to know the proper terminology to communicate important distinctions.


88 posted on 07/25/2010 7:52:37 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Anything worth doing, is worth doing badly at first.)
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