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To: B-Chan
"You guys are all full of crap. “Lock and load,” “Wolverines”, blah blah blah. None of you are going to do a damned thing, so please shut up about it. Push came to shove years ago."

Ya know what, I tend to agree with you. That's why I posted this article, to see who would talk shit and who would contact me and others to build a resistance. Other than some passionate posts on this thread, no one, I repeat, NO ONE has contacted me. Which proves your point.

Knowing the above, do you have a viable solution to restore our Constitutional heritage? This is a sincere question. Got answer? My simple answer is again: STATES' RIGHTS. Got other? I'm open. Or you just giving up? No slight intended...just asking.

87 posted on 07/21/2010 12:44:04 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath Is Forever! Marxists beware. Your'e day is coming!)
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To: A Navy Vet
"You guys are all full of crap. “Lock and load,” “Wolverines”, blah blah blah. None of you are going to do a damned thing, so please shut up about it. Push came to shove years ago."

I've been saying the same thing for a year now, we will simply and slowly become Socialist, in fact, we already have, and all the lock and load folks are still sitting around thinking if things get bad "we'll fight", LOL.

We are already socialist folks, most of country wants it to happen. Why do you think McCain is going to win again, because we are the "few", the rest of the country just wants a big screen TV, game over.
90 posted on 07/21/2010 12:48:24 PM PDT by Scythian
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To: A Navy Vet

As a responsible family man, I won’t risk it all by publicly committing to armed revolution unless I have to. FR is not anonymous when it come to that. It’s not time yet so there. I said I back you for President....


94 posted on 07/21/2010 12:55:56 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Build a man a fire; he'll be warm for a night. Set a man on fire; he'll be warm the rest of his life)
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To: A Navy Vet
Other than some passionate posts on this thread, no one, I repeat, NO ONE has contacted me. Which proves your point.

Or it means that no one is stupid enough to do that.

96 posted on 07/21/2010 1:07:14 PM PDT by TigersEye (Greenhouse Theory is false. Totally debunked. "GH gases" is a non-sequitur.)
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To: A Navy Vet
do you have a viable solution to restore our Constitutional heritage? This is a sincere question. Got answer? My simple answer is again: STATES' RIGHTS. Got other? I'm open. Or you just giving up?

Review the videos I posted to you.

The productive members of society need to stop producing as quickly as possible. The quicker this happens the quicker we get our country back.

The longer it takes, the more we are at risk of never being able to recover our country or possibly even civil existence.

Everyone concerned can start by making preparations to become self-reliant, DIY, and support local markets and independent Internet businesses.

We're not dependent on the big government or big corporations. Their existence depends upon us. That dependency has grown to a significant and unsustainable portion of our life's work.

Cloward-Piven works both ways and in the end, anyone dependent upon the government will be at a disadvantage.

I took early retirement 7 years ago, started a profitable business and closed it when Obama took office. It's my way of protesting what has happened in our country. Besides, if things change, I can always start another and they're going to take our guns, gold, savings, SS, and property anyway. Since then, I've increasing worked to become self-sufficent and have taken every advantage to do so (i.e. government subsidized energy production/savings programs). It is a peaceful and lawful method of defeating the socialist progressive takeover that may actually work, not that supporting the Tea Party movement or protesting isn't helpful. DIY is a terrific part of this plan. Your labor isn't taxed, the cost you'd pay to have it done isn't taxed and you get a great feeling of accomphisment when it's finished. The tools you purchase become additional resources for your self-sufficeny arsenal and may be used for a future source of income or trade.

Not everyone can leave the matrix but everyone can take a step in that direction. For benefit of others, they can begin by dropping pay TV, newspapers, magazines. Buy and store foods in bulk, purchase food processing equipment, start a DIY project (look to youtube for how to vids), cut back on spending, keep some cash at home, start saving more, go enjoy the outdoors through some low cost means (i.e. camping, biking, hiking, canoeing, build a wooden boat) and stop wasting time. Our good days are numbered and there are plenty of measures we can still take before bleeding out in a violent clash.

97 posted on 07/21/2010 1:12:17 PM PDT by Errant
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To: A Navy Vet
<[>My simple answer is again: STATES' RIGHTS.

Okay, I'm gonna ramble a bit.

I don't think many of you have really thought this out. If this really comes to a physical confrontation, We're going to be picked off one by one. You think Zero is going to say 'Meet me on Main St. at high noon?' It will more like a swat team knocking on the door late at night.

If a group of armed citizens stormed the white house, they could be easily repelled and the media would have a field day talking about the right wing militia group that had to be crushed. Anything else would be considered suicide attempts on those in power and would be dealt with as such.

However, if the individual states took a firm stand, the odds would be more even, and winnable. I don't think that the powers that be are going to call out the military against a state. Or even better, a lot of states. Nor do I think the military would go along with that.

So, I think those of you who aren't just chest beaters might consider pushing to get the state you live in to back Arizona and pass similar laws, and refuse to allow Obamacare to take hold in your state. If the states would begin to protect their citizens, the citizens will protect the states.

Twenty states saying "NO MORE" and meaning it could put an end to this. I can envision a scenario where I could join a fight to protect my state butI don't see me in a shootout on my front steps. So, yeah, . . . . STATE RIGHTS.

128 posted on 07/21/2010 2:57:15 PM PDT by Do Be (The heart is smarter than the head.)
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To: A Navy Vet
Ya know what, I tend to agree with you. That's why I posted this article, to see who would talk shit and who would contact me and others to build a resistance. Other than some passionate posts on this thread, no one, I repeat, NO ONE has contacted me. Which proves your point.

Thank you.

Knowing the above, do you have a viable solution to restore our Constitutional heritage?

No. It cannot be restored.

This is a sincere question. Got answer? My simple answer is again: STATES' RIGHTS.

We tried that, 145 years ago. Result: 620,000 soldiers and God only knows how many innocent civilians killed, and the federal government more in control than before.

Got other? I'm open.

A return to traditional Western culture, and the political system that organically developed from it, i.e. monarchy.

Or you just giving up? No slight intended...just asking.

I'm not giving up on anything. I have a child. I can't give up. I am an optimist, and I believe in a bright future. But our current political system isn't going to be a part of that future. It is derived from a set of fundamental principles that do not accord with the world as it is. Any attempt to fix or prop up the current system is doomed to fail, and, if such an attempt involves rebellion, is going to get a lot of people killed for nothing.

My strategy is survival. The last time the world system collapsed, civilization was preserved and ultimately restored by small communities of intensely Christian monks and the communities that grew up around them. They safeguarded the spiritual and intellectual patrimony of the West while the Roman Empire crumbled. Four hundred years later, in A.D. 800, when the natural political order of the West was restored with the revival of the Roman Empire, the monasteries were there, ready to spread culture and learning across Europe.

We should be preparing to do the same, not wasting our time fantasizing about being brave freedom fighters or whatever. This isn't Star Wars, some fantasy about plucky rebels overthrowing the Galactic Empire and restoring the Republic. (The Republic, frankly, sucked, and Anakin was right about a lot of things.) This is reality, and in reality any attempt to overthrow the Empire will only result in a bunch of naïve people dying meaningless, anonymous deaths.

You know what our guys did to the towelheads in Iraq? That's what they'll do to us if they're ordered to. You may not accept that reality, but it remains real anyway. Live with it.

129 posted on 07/21/2010 3:02:24 PM PDT by B-Chan
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