YOU: Dead people. Homeless people picked up and bussed to a polling place to vote for one or more specific candidates (motor voter) - all for the price of a pack of cigarettes. ACORN . . . . . having ANYTHING to do with an election. The same for SEIU and other union thugs.
If by "dead people" you mean that radical liberals are killing conservatives who go to vote, then, I'm with you. That level of violence - if it was happening with the consent of those governing - would be a tipping point for me. And I would assume if it wasn't stopped that it would be with the "consent of those governing"... We would stand together against them, Dusty.
If on the other hand you mean liberals "voting the dead" as in taking the names of people who have died and voting those people - then we're not on the same page. There are legal remedies for that - maybe ones that aren't strong enough - but they exist. EVERY Republican or conservative candidate running should be asked how they feel about the dead voting and what laws would they be willing to change to stop the problem. This is a "hold their feet to the fire" problem. ( and no, I don't mean literally holding anyone's feet to real fire)
Liberals moderate all the debates and we wonder why our issues aren't addressed. Change that. Ask for debates to be held on local FOX channels - only. Ask for moderators to identify themselves - or we'll identify them based on what they've written - and make it equal. Two liberals, two conservatives. Protest about the voter fraud issue. Make sure they know it's on the voter's mind. Voter fraud has to be handled within the law. Our guys should have made those laws stronger years agoa. Democrats think it's funny to cheat - we need to expose that - most voters DO NOT think it's funny - and it'll hurt dems in elections.
Dems all know voter fraud is going on ... they need to be put on record about it. Stronger laws need to be written - stronger penalties called for...
ACORN - if ACORN is accepted as a legitimate non-profit organization then they have the right to function. Period. We can try to expose their criminal activities - guilt trip local papers into hireing a token conservative or two - set up organizations to counter ACORNS lies... but violence? Nope. Again - it's legal to "be nuts - or to be ACORN"... It's the Same for SEIU - it's a legal union. They have the right to exist. When they beat up conservatives - wait, wasn't it teamsters who beat up Freepers? Brother and sister in PA? ( and of course we didn't get justice because conservatives are "the jews" in this country...) Anyhow the SEIU are thugs - but they know the legal line - and for the most part they don't cross it. When they do, we need to call the few in the media who have the courage to stand with us and take them on. But again, NOT WITH VIOLENCE. Besides, who would you shoot? Some innocent person working as a receptionists in a SEIU office? Come on... ya gotta get real. Legal groups have the right to exist - no matter how noxious they are to us personally. Our groups also have the right to exist - no matter how noxious we are to them.
Until they start loading us on trains for camps - let's just keep our powder dry...and our wits about us. We live in dangerous times - and the way radical liberals act scares me too. Horrible things happened in Germany almost 70 years ago - and they can happen here. I used to think the first ones taken to the camps would be us - conservatives - but I don't think that anymore. There's too many of us. And the Tea Party movement has taken the lie away that all of us are violent nutcases. So it's not going to be us - but there will be a scapegoat again - it's how the system works. (You might want to buy F.A. HAYEK's "The Road to Serfdom" - he explains a lot of what happened in Germany that caused the evil to happen) Anyhow, the scapegoat - my guess is that it'll be the Jews again. We can stop that. Conservatives can bond with orthodox Jews - that should safeguard all of them. Jews are too small a group to stand alone - and too easy for liberals to turn on - lots of perverse incentives happening... Anyhow, I've drifted off topic. I'm in Florida and the weather is gloomy because of the coming storm and I'm spending waaaay too much time on this reply... I pray for my country. I pray to a 31 year old Jewish man - I say, "in Jesus name I pray"...
I’ve been out of pocket most of yesterday and today so I’m a little slow in responding.
You force some interesting thoughts - which is a good thing. You don’t seem the be the dumbass you first seemed to be. So, my apologies for making assumptions.
You line is a good place to start. Carting people off to camps - that’s a concrete line.
But what if ‘they’ start carting people off in the dead of night; making it so people can’t get a job because of their opinions? How do you find the line there?? I don’t know. And to me, that’s the start of an inexorable slide that won’t end well.
I think it was you that said upthread if 4 people keep some people from voting is not sufficient cause. Ok. Maybe. But if the appropriate officials fail to act in response - - then what? To me, failure to protect and preserve voting rights for all legally entitled to vote is pretty egregious. Will I shoot someone over that? NO. But it could be a tipping point that leads to further action.
Maybe that’s what you’re trying to get at. Your absolute is death camps. But where’s the tipping point before your line? I’m afraid many people are reaching their tipping point with this president and Congress. The federal overeach. Passing laws that the people clearly do not want. When does ‘consent of the governed’ kick in? I think we’re at that point. I think there is an anger that is starting to really build against our so-called leaders. They ignore that at their peril. I just read something here today about how much Congress spends on food for themselves. All I could think of was ‘let them eat cake’. This disconnect between the government and the governed is not headed in a good direction. And honestly, I think, is past the point of no return. One spark is all it will take.
I’m sorry for the somewhat stream-of-conciousness rambling. It’s Friday. I had a long, difficult week and I’m tired. I hope I was able to get some of my thoughts across.
It is one thing to sit here today, when there are no restrictions on what we can purchase, no restrictions on where we can go and no restrictions on what we can do and loftily pontificate on what we will and won't accept; up to the point of mass murder and death camps for our fellow Americans before we think it's time to take action. By that time, there is no action to take other than go willingly into the "shower" in hopes of extending your life a little longer, or charge the guards around you and be murdered on the spot. It is quite another to go down to the market and discover that you can't buy bread, or milk or cereal or any one of a myriad things because the market is out and doesn't know when there will be more. Those are very real scenarios coming our way because Obama’s tax increases and his unelected “czars” will punish you for being successful. Just this morning, there was a report on Fox news about his energy czar declaring that luxury shower heads would be banned because . . . . . . . he can.
Obama’s tax increases will begin to take effect next year and they will affect ALL of us by limiting the discretionary income we have. So far, Obama has seen fit to take over 3 significant industries - automobile, health and, just recently, finance. In the future, his takeover of the financial industry will make it more difficult for Americans to get credit for cars, houses and the like. You may think it's ok for the Democrats in Congress to pass all of this legislation because they won the election and, to a point, I agree with you. But we conservatives are not “walking the field” because we lost, we are witnessing the fundamental paradigm shift of everything that America represents and has stood for for over 230 years because a group of totalitarians managed to get control of our government and are destroying our way of life.
While you wait for the system to “self-correct”, the Obama totalitarians are putting things in place that are designed to ensure that the system NEVER self-corrects. How many challenges have been made to Obama’s eligibility, and how many have actually made it to the courtroom for a trial or hearing? By my count, there have been well over a dozen challenges filed and NONE has made it to court. Obama has spent nearly $2 million to seal or hide his official records, so that we can't discover the truth about him. But, you think it's ok because he won the election and the death camps and mass murders haven't been put in place . . . . . YET!! He continues his assault on the American way of life and is indoctrinating our children to believe what HE wants them to believe. But, you think that's ok because you don't see what's coming. I do.
If Obama is able to complete his radical agenda, you will likely end up (if you're lucky) living through not only one of the worst periods of your life, you will also live through one of the worst periods in America's history. And, IF we are lucky, America will survive it and return to her former position as the beacon of freedom in the world.
So, while you enjoy the comfort of your life today, remember that this time next year, you may not be so comfortable. Those taxes Obama has imposed will start to kick in. You could find yourself having to decide between gas for your car to get you to and from work, or buying food or tickets to a sporting event that you want to see. We still don't know EVERYTHING that he has in store for us but, from what I and many others have seen and heard from him to date, it won't be good.
So, when you can't watch a show on TV that you want to see because Obama’s energy czar has decided that we aren't making the switch to “green” energy sources and “sustainable/renewable” energy such as solar and wind fast enough and just orders that it happen; you can feel comfortable with the fact that it isn't death camps and mass murder, it's just TV. Besides, they “won” and the methods they employ to win just don't matter. And, when you go cast your vote in 2012 for YOUR chosen candidate and a member of the New Black Panthers, armed with his club, accompanies you into the voting booth to ensure that you vote for the “right” candidate, you can rest assured that this is just the winning party enforcing its “rights” as the “winning party”.
One domino at a time, you are losing your rights and freedoms but, as long as there are no death camps or mass murders; as long as you can still go to work in your chosen occupation; as long as you can still spend your discretionary income as you please; as long as you can still go where you want, it's ok. Do you know that, had HillaryCare passed in the 90’s, you would have to obtain permission from the government to travel from one region of the United States to another? Sort of like the old days of the Soviet Union!! But that's ok, because HillaryCare at least didn't have death camps or mass murders.
When you have a little more experience in the world you may understand that the concern that many of us have about Obama and his radicalism isn't paranoia, it's because we have either lived it or seen it unfold and have enough history under our belts to recognize what is happening. In the meantime, sit back and enjoy your life. In another 5 months or so, American Idol makes its return, and you don't want to miss a single episode of that.
Thank you for an enlightening discussion. I don't think you need to respond because we understand one another’s positions now.