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HuffPoster: Atticus Finch A Feminized Male 'Not In Any Traditional Sense Manly'
Newsbusters ^ | 11 July 2010 | Noel Sheppard

Posted on 07/11/2010 10:13:14 PM PDT by GOP_Raider

Did you ever consider the lead character in Harper Lee's fabulous "To Kill A Mockingbird" to be a feminized male not in any traditional sense manly?

Atticus Finch, one of the greatest male figures in modern American literature?

Well, that's what Jesse Kornbluth wrote at Huffington Post on the 50th anniversary of this fabulous book being published.

For those that are fans of this novel like so many Americans, the following quotes from this astonishingly silly piece are guaranteed to offend:

"To Kill a Mockingbird" is a woman's book.

Written by a woman, Harper Lee, but more, written by a woman who dared to see herself as her region's Jane Austen. Told by a six-year-old girl. With a hero who's not, in any traditional sense, manly.

(Excerpt) Read more at newsbusters.org ...


TOPICS: Books/Literature; History
KEYWORDS: atticusfinch; harperlee; jessekornbluth; tokillamockingbird
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To: ckilmer
The ideological blinders I see are the one you have donned.

Once again this is true of women of all races and circumstances; that they are more likely to be raped by a member of their own race than by someone of a different race; and they are more likely to be raped by a friend or acquaintance than by a stranger.

You seem to see people as members of a group rather than as an individual, as ascribe the likelihood of their innocence or guilt based, not upon the evidence, but upon racial crime statistics; guilty by racial association is your only argument.

It is not in any way shape or form “absurd” to consider the plight of a black man unjustly accused of rape; there have been cases of unjust accusations of rape before and there will be again.

Neither is citation of crime statistics in any way indicative that false accusations are “absurd” even if the accusation is against one who is a member of a racial group that is disproportionately involved in criminality.

As I pointed out to you; Chuck Berry was so cognizant of the ‘consensual until we got caught’ situation that was depicted in TKaMB - that he used to take a topless picture of any white woman that wanted to have sex with him, so that it would be that much harder to claim after the fact that she was an unwilling participant.

Was Chuck Berry “absurd” to think that, in the society he lived in, a woman confronted with being a “n*gger lover” (as Atticus was called), might level an unjust accusation of rape after the fact? Was Chuck Berry “absurd” to guard himself against this?

Is it “absurd” to think that a woman might unjustly accuse a man of rape after consensual sex if she thinks she might benefit from it being thought of as rape rather than her being thought of as “loose” or “immoral” or a “n*gger lover”?

61 posted on 07/13/2010 12:58:18 PM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: allmendream

Is it “absurd” to think that a woman might unjustly accuse a man of rape after consensual sex if she thinks she might benefit from it being thought of as rape rather than her being thought of as “loose” or “immoral” or a “n*gger lover”?
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Well that is one shaggy dog story.

These stereotypes date from the 1960’s and earlier. The world has changed.

When I used to live in Manhattan there were all the time stories about white women jogging in the park who would be raped and murdered. The perps were never white guys. Everyone would wonder. What were these dumb women thinking? Why did they go to bad sections of the park at the wrong time. Why didn’t someone clue them in?

Answer is they likely weren’t listening. They’d read To Kill A Mockingbird. End of Story.

These days the perps for these kinds of atrocities are likely as not to be illegal aliens.

The last big name perp of this kind was the illegal who killed Chandra Levey. But really, this stuff happens all the time. It just doesn’t make the headlines.


62 posted on 07/13/2010 1:42:35 PM PDT by ckilmer (Phi)
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To: ckilmer
It is a common scenario frequent and on the public mind at the time.

Was Chuck Berry “absurd” to think that he had to protect himself from the “consensual until caught” scenario?

How specifically would reading TKaMB make a woman think it might be safe to jog in Central Park? Nothing in TKaMB had anything to do with the scenario you are suggesting, rape by a stranger of a different race.

The TKaMB scenario was more like a Kobe Bryant situation. He says they had sex, she says she was raped. Was it absurd to consider that Kobe might have been innocent, or based upon the accusation of any white woman and based upon racial crime statistics, it would be “absurd” to consider Kobe innocent until proven guilty by actual evidence?

63 posted on 07/13/2010 1:50:33 PM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: allmendream

How specifically would reading TKaMB make a woman think it might be safe to jog in Central Park? Nothing in TKaMB had anything to do with the scenario you are suggesting, rape by a stranger of a different race.
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Its absurd of course to think that a woman could be raped and murdered just for running in Central Park or that a woman would be so stupid as to put herself at so great a risk for nothing.

Unless of course she had learned from her father that blacks are unfairly accused of all manner of crimes including rape and murder and that blacks as a rule can be relied upon for protection.

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The TKaMB scenario was more like a Kobe Bryant situation.

Nah, the Kobe thing just showed how much things had changed from the world ostensible portrayed by the 1960’s movie. With the whole world watching the small town woman never had a chance. After 15 minutes of testimony nobody believed her. Where did she get the absurd idea she would be believed? Kobe’s big city lawyers made short work of her. All she did was embarrass herself and her community. Nor did anyone care much about the way Kobe embarrassed his wife. What was he thinking? Oh yeah, he’d probably seen the chuck berry pictures too.


64 posted on 07/13/2010 4:46:10 PM PDT by ckilmer (Phi)
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To: ckilmer
Your ‘logic’ is about as sound as suggesting that watching Perry Mason episodes would give someone the impression that the person charged with the crime is NEVER guilty.

People, including Blacks, are unfairly accused of all manner of crimes all the time. Check the DNA project.

The plausibility of a man being unjustly accused has NOTHING to do with racial crime statistics.

AHHH! You finally acknowledged Chuck Berry! Do you think it was “absurd” for Berry to guard himself against unjust accusations of rape by taking topless pictures of the white women he was about to have consensual sex with?

Chuck Berry didn't think it was absurd.

But I guess in the world you live in no woman has ever decided after the fact that consensual sex was rape? Or that if she accused a black man it would be “absurd” to think he might, based upon actual evidence, be innocent?

No you have crime statistics! No need to look at individual actions or actual evidence! Blacks are disproportionately involved in criminality! CASE CLOSED!

What a pitiful and illogical and hateful mindset.

65 posted on 07/14/2010 6:34:13 AM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: allmendream

Your ‘logic’ is about as sound as suggesting that watching Perry Mason episodes would give someone the impression that the person charged with the crime is NEVER guilty.
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Man you date yourself. The world of To Kill a Mockingbird and Perry Mason is long ago and far away as WWII, WWI, the Civil War, the Revolutionary War.

Perry Mason as it turned out — was not straight. His personal life was as convoluted as your argument. I presume therefor that it would be unfair to suggest that you are arguing in favor of homosexuality. Rather you are arguing that black men should have access to white women. And further that black women are butt ugly. And this is all true because you live in a white neighborhood and all your co workers are white. And in fact you’re not all that comfortable around black guys.

The stats on marriage rates reflect similar things as rape rates. Just as there are many more black on white rapes—than the other way around, there are many more black guys marrying white women as the other way around.

Similarly there are more white men marrying Asian women than Asian men marrying white women. I haven’t seen the stats for rapes here but I expect them to be vanishingly small either way.


66 posted on 07/14/2010 9:05:02 AM PDT by ckilmer (Phi)
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To: ckilmer
So are we to measure the “absurdity” of TKaMB by modern standards, or the time it was written and published?

Perry Mason was a fictional character, he had no “personal life”, let alone a homosexual one. You really do live in a bizarre reality, where you fantasize about fictional characters have personal homosexual lives.

Are you arguing that black men should not have “access” to white women? They shouldn't be allowed to be friends, lovers, husband and wife? Do you think government regulation of such is compatible with a limited government of enumerated powers, or equality under the law?

Do you believe in equality under the law?

And was Chuck Berry “absurd” for protecting himself against accusations of rape after consensual sex with white women by taking topless photos of them? Was it absurd of him to think he might be accused falsely of rape after the fact? Is it that women never falsely accuse men of rape, or that in any accusation against a black man it would be “absurd” to consider that they might in fact be innocent?

67 posted on 07/14/2010 10:54:14 AM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: allmendream
True. Good catch.Arron Burr who played Perry Mason was the homosexual.

Perry Mason like To Kill A Mockingbird was a work of fiction. And of course its best not to base your reality on works of fiction.
68 posted on 07/14/2010 11:06:47 AM PDT by ckilmer (Phi)
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To: ckilmer

Yes, attempting to base your reality on works of fiction, that truly WOULD be absurd. ;)


69 posted on 07/14/2010 12:28:07 PM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: ckilmer
What the crime does do is teach your sister —and likely you — which race more to distrust

I guess that's where you and I differ. I don't distrust any race. I distrust people. I choose to distrust people due to choices they make, things they have control over. You have control over how you dress, how you act, how you speak, how you worship and with whom you associate. And those things will influnce how I judge you, not your race.

70 posted on 07/14/2010 9:29:03 PM PDT by mockingbyrd (Remember in November.)
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To: mockingbyrd
If you'd like to get a better discussion of this go over to pajamasmedia.
71 posted on 07/15/2010 9:00:25 PM PDT by ckilmer (Phi)
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