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To: tired_old_conservative
Hey, Tired!

You sure are an interesting "Old Conservative." I've been doing a little research. In all of the posts that show up today for you on the first page of your recent posts (I think it's 100 posts but I'm not sure.) only TWO (2 !!) weren't in some way related to the eligibility issue and those two had to do with Joran van der Sloot!

Joran van der Sloot! There's an issue high on the list of Freedom Loving FReepers! Nothing from you about Obama, about Pelosi, about the economy, about Rush, the McDonald Gun decision, or the oil spill. Just the birth certificate! And what do you say? That none of us has a right to ask! I think maybe you should take your act someplace else.

ML/NJ

65 posted on 07/09/2010 9:45:11 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: ml/nj
“Hey, Tired!

You sure are an interesting “Old Conservative.” I've been doing a little research. In all of the posts that show up today for you on the first page of your recent posts (I think it's 100 posts but I'm not sure.) only TWO (2 !!)”

Don't know about the last hundred, but I've certainly posted on more topics than that. I've also posted Russell Kirk's ten conservative principles, which are certainly appropriate for a tired old conservative:

http://www.kirkcenter.org/kirk/ten-principles.html

If you can't be bothered to look it up, here they are:

“First, the conservative believes that there exists an enduring moral order. That order is made for man, and man is made for it: human nature is a constant, and moral truths are permanent...

Second, the conservative adheres to custom, convention, and continuity. It is old custom that enables people to live together peaceably; the destroyers of custom demolish more than they know or desire...

Third, conservatives believe in what may be called the principle of prescription. Conservatives sense that modern people are dwarfs on the shoulders of giants, able to see farther than their ancestors only because of the great stature of those who have preceded us in time...

Fourth, conservatives are guided by their principle of prudence. Burke agrees with Plato that in the statesman, prudence is chief among virtues...

Fifth, conservatives pay attention to the principle of variety. They feel affection for the proliferating intricacy of long-established social institutions and modes of life, as distinguished from the narrowing uniformity and deadening egalitarianism of radical systems...

Sixth, conservatives are chastened by their principle of imperfectability. Human nature suffers irremediably from certain grave faults, the conservatives know. Man being imperfect, no perfect social order ever can be created...

Seventh, conservatives are persuaded that freedom and property are closely linked. Separate property from private possession, and Leviathan becomes master of all...

Eighth, conservatives uphold voluntary community, quite as they oppose involuntary collectivism. Although Americans have been attached strongly to privacy and private rights, they also have been a people conspicuous for a successful spirit of community...

Ninth, the conservative perceives the need for prudent restraints upon power and upon human passions. Politically speaking, power is the ability to do as one likes, regardless of the wills of one’s fellows. A state in which an individual or a small group are able to dominate the wills of their fellows without check is a despotism, whether it is called monarchical or aristocratic or democratic...

Tenth, the thinking conservative understands that permanence and change must be recognized and reconciled in a vigorous society. The conservative is not opposed to social improvement, although he doubts whether there is any such force as a mystical Progress, with a Roman P, at work in the world...”

I happen to think that birtherism makes a mockery of those principles. Ultimately, it has as little respect for them as it does the real Constitution and the law that flows form it. Having temper tantrums over the fact that we lost an election, to the point where one enters an alternate universe constructed of absurdly fallacious beliefs as Orly has done, is hardly conservative.

66 posted on 07/09/2010 10:04:40 AM PDT by tired_old_conservative
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To: ml/nj; tired_old_conservative
...and those two had to do with Joran van der Sloot!

t_o_c is a SlootBot.

68 posted on 07/09/2010 10:29:10 AM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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