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To: dayglored

Yes of course I know they make small add on’s. I have a very nice bluetooth Microsoft Mouse. I like it better than the mighty mouse by apple. And because I use both OSX and Windows on my MBPro, it works better when I am in Windows than does the mighty mouse.

As for the basic standards, I am sure you are aware that the bar is not very high at all and many times when a PC is certified to run a newer OS it often fails to actually meet the standard in practice. So, once again, my generalizing seems to be taken a bit too literally. Always remember, this is a comparison, and so when I say it as a definitive, I am still retaining the comparison.

So, Microsoft does not make the hardware which is the PC itself. There is no “Microsoft PC” and the available suppliers of PCs and PC parts are widely varied in their costs, quality and quantities. Which, is the exact opposite of the Apple format. Apple designs and builds their own hardware, many times as in the case of the new CPU chips for the iPad, entirely from scratch by buying a chip making company upfront and just doing it themselves. That alone makes the comparison starkly and radically opposed.

Now, when we come to things like the standards for, in the example you used, chipsets and API calls, your angle actually harms the argument. There are numerous chipsets out there, from new to old to hackable to overclockable and while Microsoft does set “a standard” it is so poor and varied as to likely be the cause of 90% of the hardware and internal peripheral conflicts.

I won’t even bother to chase this one down as it could be a 30 page post all by itself. Northbridge, southbridge, DDR, USB, H264, which CPUs, what Ram, even the BIOS all fall into the chip set configuration. Each chip set has its own code name, and a list of stats for each iteration which take up a page or two in google searches to describe what hardware and software is suited best for which set and known compatibility issues.

You cannot truly call THAT “a standard”. It’s a list. It’s a framework. It might even been a guideline... but a standard is STANDARD. SAME. 75mph speed is a standard. “30mph to 80mph” is a range...

And 30 under X conditions, subject to B circumstances, allowing for C overlap, between Y and Z exchanges, etc etc.... that’s a HEADACHE... not a standard.

My point is, THIS IS THE WORLD Microsoft is STUCK with. They cannot DO anything about it.... NOW. They don’t make the hardware, and they have NO standards. That’s what I said, and comparatively speaking, that is exactly the case for why they cannot “out Apple Apple” and shouldn’t even try.

Now, my last point was there ARE things they CAN and SHOULD do better. And I am ALL FOR IT. I use windows. I want it better. And everyone benefits if they do what they do and do it better than they have been doing it.


96 posted on 07/06/2010 9:05:35 PM PDT by RachelFaith (2010 is going to be a 100 seat Tsunami - Unless the GOP Senate ruins it all...)
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To: RachelFaith
Ok, I think I see where you're coming from. I was working only with your original claim that Microsoft "doesn’t even try to set a minimalist standard".

> THIS IS THE WORLD Microsoft is STUCK with. They cannot DO anything about it....

No argument there. Microsoft does not make SYSTEMS, they make software and a thousand other somebodies make the hardware.

Apple has the tremendous advantage that they make SYSTEMS. As one who has spent much of my professional life as a system design engineer, I can say without a trace of hesitation that a contained, integrated, well-composed system will nearly always beat an open hodge-podge assembly for conceptual integrity, ease of use, elegance, and solidity, to name but a few traits.

But I would argue that while Apple's systems often provide excellent high-bar examples of how things ought to be done, they do not "set standards" in the technical sense you describe, of "you must do this to comply with the standard". That is because Apple protects their designs rigorously (as they should), and they do not really want other manufacturers using them as a standard -- in that technical sense.

So perhaps I do not understand your "comparison", since Apple doesn't provide standards of the sort you fault Microsoft for not providing, either...?

99 posted on 07/06/2010 9:24:31 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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