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To: jamese777; Las Vegas Ron
“Update, August 26: We received responses to some of our questions from the Hawaii Department of Health. They couldn’t tell us anything about their security paper, but they did answer another frequently-raised question: why is Obama’s father’s race listed as “African”? Kurt Tsue at the DOH told us that father’s race and mother’s race are supplied by the parents, and that “we accept what the parents self identify themselves to be.” We consider it reasonable to believe that Barack Obama, Sr., would have thought of and reported himself as “African.” It’s certainly not the slam dunk some readers have made it out to be.”—August 26, 2008

In 1961 clown, that's BS.

Here are the vital record stats to classify race 50 years ago.

"Births in the United States in 1961 are classified for vital statistics into white, Negro, American Indian, Chinese, Japanese, Aleut, Eskimo, Hawaiian and Part-Hawaiian (combined), and "other nonwhite."

Being from a continent is not one of them. I suppose you think that the Kenyan could have self-Id as a Martian to today's Hawaiian DoH and they would have accepted it. It's all academic anyway because Obama has no long form birth certificate from 1961.

358 posted on 06/25/2010 6:45:10 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

In 1961 clown, that’s BS.

Here are the vital record stats to classify race 50 years ago.

“Births in the United States in 1961 are classified for vital statistics into white, Negro, American Indian, Chinese, Japanese, Aleut, Eskimo, Hawaiian and Part-Hawaiian (combined), and “other nonwhite.”

Being from a continent is not one of them. I suppose you think that the Kenyan could have self-Id as a Martian to today’s Hawaiian DoH and they would have accepted it. It’s all academic anyway because Obama has no long form birth certificate from 1961.


I suggest that you take your whine up with Kurt Tsue of the Hawaii Department of Health.

I believe that when asked on Friday, August 4, 1961 for his racial designation, Barack Hussein Obama Senior replied “African.” And the maternity ward admitting clerk at Kapi’olani Medical Center wrote down “African” and that term was transmitted to the Hawaii Department of Health.

They were not asking for the CHILD’s racial designation using an official American term for racial designations, they were asking for the parents’ racial designations and they accepted what Obama Senior said for the Certificate of Live Birth. I don’t think that they would have accepted “Martian!”

If the data from that Certificate ultimately went to the federal government, the combination of the mother’s racial designation of Caucasian and the father’s racial designation of “African” would put the child into the “other non-white” category.

If and until a prosecutor convenes a Grand Jury investigation and subpoenas both Dr. Chiyome Fukino and Dr. Alvin T. Onaka to testify under oath as well as subpoenaeing all the original birth records for Barack Hussein Obama II, we’ll never know for sure just what exists and what doesn’t and when any record came into existence.

Since both the Honolulu Advertiser and the Honolulu Star-Bulliten newspapers have confirmed birth announcements in their “Health Bureau Statistics” sections for a son born to “Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama” born on August 4, 1961 in their August 13, 1961 and August 14, 1961 editions, it is likely that a Certificate of Live Birth does indeed exist.


390 posted on 06/25/2010 10:09:20 PM PDT by jamese777
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To: Red Steel
In 1961 clown, that's BS.

Here are the vital record stats to classify race 50 years ago.

"Births in the United States in 1961 are classified for vital statistics into white, Negro, American Indian, Chinese, Japanese, Aleut, Eskimo, Hawaiian and Part-Hawaiian (combined), and "other nonwhite."

Being from a continent is not one of them.

Wow. If you're right (I mean, you did check that Hawaii actually used only these classifications on birth certificates, right?), this shows that there are, in fact, TWO race errors on the Certification. Because Stanley is listed as "Caucasian," and I sure as heck don't see "Caucasian" on that list of yours. Under these guidelines, Stanley Ann should clearly be listed as "White."

So why aren't you pointing that out too? Why are you only concerned with arguing that the 'correct' label for Obama's father was "Negro"?

416 posted on 06/26/2010 6:51:47 AM PDT by LorenC
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