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USA v Algeria World Cup Soccer ABC 10am EDT
06.23.10 | Perdogg

Posted on 06/23/2010 4:38:14 AM PDT by Perdogg

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To: Willie Green
Another stupid "market driven" libertarian view?

LOL, you're not pushing socialized sports are you?

But you're right, I'm talking about the product of international pro soccer, not kiddie recreation.

The fact is they want to sell this product to the US market. If they don't, they even bigger socialist idiots than I thought. But they have a real problem with their product, a problem that will turn off a lot of Americans like myself.

181 posted on 06/23/2010 9:42:20 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (One good thing about music, when it hits you feel no pain.)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

Did you miss the call in 1st minutes? US goal called off. Replay showed US was was 2 feet offsides. Refs made correct call.


182 posted on 06/23/2010 9:42:24 AM PDT by dancusa (Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy. W. Churchill)
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To: Lakeshark
the linesman got it terribly wrong

In the linesman's defense, I'll say that I thought it was offside too when I saw the play live.

ML/NJ

183 posted on 06/23/2010 9:43:19 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: ml/nj
From the angle we had on the tv, I thought so too.

From the linesman's angle on the field, it was pretty clear.

184 posted on 06/23/2010 9:45:30 AM PDT by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: Lakeshark

Well i do agree that the referees did a horrible “overall” job during this tournament.
But this happens.
And it hits all teams sometimes.
Sometimes you have luck sometimes you don´t have it.
But isn´t it even more fun to still win even you had no
luck with the calls?
The good teams usually will prevail even they will get their
“fair” share of bad calls too.
This is soccer.


185 posted on 06/23/2010 9:48:15 AM PDT by darkside321
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To: darkside321
btw. bitching and losing the last nerves because of the referees is about as old as football (soccer). And is a part of this sport!

Thanks for making my point for me! ;0)

Letting the refs decide the outcome of the game kills it. They are far more influential to the result than any American sport. They either need better refs with more accountability, more refs/linesmen to make better offsides calls, or use technology.

Resisting those improvements will make the soccer powers-that-be seem like the baseball dinosaurs here who carp about "tradition."

And bad calls in baseball rarely decide the entire outcome of the game.

186 posted on 06/23/2010 9:50:51 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (One good thing about music, when it hits you feel no pain.)
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To: Trailerpark Badass
LOL, you're not pushing socialized sports are you?

LOL!!! No not at all....
I have a well documented history in opposition to Sports Pork.
I think commuter rail systems are a much more responsible investment of public infrastructure funds.

187 posted on 06/23/2010 9:51:09 AM PDT by Willie Green ("Some people march to the beat of a different drum - and some people polka. ..")
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To: Lakeshark
From the angle we had on the tv

That's the angle we always have on TV.

I would also point out that it is usually the angle I have when I watch horse races live. (I usually sit someplace around the 16th pole.) I am very rarely wrong on close finishes.

ML/NJ

188 posted on 06/23/2010 9:55:11 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: Trailerpark Badass

No i have to disagree.
The last thing i would want for soccer would be
something like to use video to make referee calls.
This would kill this sport! Soccer is a fast game (ok many people in the US might dissagree but anyway). There is NO NEED to stop the game every 2 minutes to watch a stupid Video. And i´m pretty shure most soccer fans around the world do agree with me on this.
Don´t fix whats not broken.
Millions of people around this world love the sport exactly how it is right now. So no need to change this.


189 posted on 06/23/2010 9:56:44 AM PDT by darkside321
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To: darkside321
Yep very true! But this was my point. Since the US has won no one has said just a single world about the referees because people are just happy. Of course if the US had lost this would be totally different. As said to hate referees and their calls is part of this sport!

Still basking in the moment. But there's still a lot to be bitter about with respect to the officiating, which is marring this whole tournament.

Just in this game, you have the disallowed goal on an incorrect offsides, a booking to Altidore for no contact whatsoever, a booking to Beasley for a "handball" that was actually trapped off the chest, a missed penalty/red card on the foul that split Dempsey's lip, and quite a few more that I'm sure I've already forgotten.

I finally gave up hoping for a break the other way, as it was clear we weren't going to get one.

The officiating impacted the game, and that's almost universally a bad thing in any sport. Sure it was a thrilling finish to overcome that, but the drama is no reason to condone it, or to ignore calls to improve and reform the system.

190 posted on 06/23/2010 9:57:54 AM PDT by kevkrom (De-fund Obamacare in 2011, repeal in 2013!)
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To: kevkrom

Everyone thinks the referee is against them.


191 posted on 06/23/2010 10:01:41 AM PDT by Gimour09
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To: Gimour09
I think you are exaggerating somewhat. Most games do not have a bad referee decision influencing the game.

I don't think I am.

Baseball has 27 outs, for each team. A bad call on one or two rarely directly affects the outcome. Football has around 80 plays a game, and they use video replay. Granted, the pace of the game allows it, and even then the pros haven't managed to implement it as well as the colleges.

That said, I would assume that I am the kind of American that international soccer wants to woo. I WANT to like it as a quality entertainment product, but from what I've seen in this tournament, it has a quite glaring drawback, one that interferes with my enjoyment of it.

192 posted on 06/23/2010 10:06:11 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (One good thing about music, when it hits you feel no pain.)
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To: Gimour09
Everyone thinks the referee is against them.

Well, it's easy to think so when it's demonstrably true.

193 posted on 06/23/2010 10:09:59 AM PDT by kevkrom (De-fund Obamacare in 2011, repeal in 2013!)
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To: kevkrom

Yes but this happens to all teams sometimes.
Believe me it will not be possible to become World champion for example without receiving some bad or even horrible referee calls during the whole tournament.
This is the way it is and allways was.
As said sometimes you have luck sometimes not.
But real good teams usuall prevail even they had bad luck
during a game.


194 posted on 06/23/2010 10:10:43 AM PDT by darkside321
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To: Perdogg
THAT WAS A HELLUVA GAME! USA! USA!
195 posted on 06/23/2010 10:10:43 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: Gimour09
Everyone thinks the referee is against them.

It's not a matter of who they're for or against; it's a matter of the fact that the ref can decide who wins, rather than the players on the field. And he can apparently do so without any explanation or accountability.

196 posted on 06/23/2010 10:12:48 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (One good thing about music, when it hits you feel no pain.)
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To: Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
I love soccer (officially known as “Association Football”).

To each his own, but I can take it or mostly leave it. I would also say that some of the refereeing in the tournament so far has been atrocious.

197 posted on 06/23/2010 10:17:04 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

It’s not a matter of who they’re for or against; it’s a matter of the fact that the ref can decide who wins, rather than the players on the field. And he can apparently do so without any explanation or accountability.


Sorry but correct me if i´m wrong but who has finally won this game?
I tought it was the US? ;-)
So it looks like the players on the field still won the game
and not the referee with some bad calls.


198 posted on 06/23/2010 10:17:33 AM PDT by darkside321
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To: dfwgator

Haven’t watched an NBA game in ten years.


199 posted on 06/23/2010 10:18:05 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: Rummyfan

You’re not missing much.


200 posted on 06/23/2010 10:22:02 AM PDT by dfwgator
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