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Feds get picky over what makes oil 'extra virgin'
AP ^ | 060410 | JULIANA BARBASSA

Posted on 06/04/2010 4:31:40 PM PDT by Artemis Webb

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To: Artemis Webb

Whew. It will be safe to go back into the kitchen.


41 posted on 06/04/2010 5:02:42 PM PDT by GSWarrior (Be wary of all politicians--especially the ones you admire.)
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To: Artemis Webb

Ridiculous and a continuation of the dumbing down of the American public.

Caveat emptor - always.


42 posted on 06/04/2010 5:03:56 PM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: BunnySlippers
Ever hear of 'caveat emptor' ? Maybe you should be careful what you buy.

The federal government has no constitutional power to regulate food. Regardless of Supreme Court ruling.

That law that every statist here is quoting was put into effect under the administration of FDR. You know, FDR, that conservative icon of freedom and limited government.

Just because it's been around for almost a century doesn't make it constitutional.

/johnny

43 posted on 06/04/2010 5:06:00 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: OldDeckHand
someone’s going to be looking at fraud charges

The market solves this problem without any government interference at all.

Fraud is always illegal. Now that the G is involved you'll see even more collusion and higher prices.

44 posted on 06/04/2010 5:06:17 PM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: BunnySlippers
Not really. The best olive oil is the one with the consistency and taste that you like. A bad "first press" is inferior. I've had some Lebanese olive oil that was total garbage, and the cultivar for the trees in that country undoubtedly derives from the ORIGINALS.

I'm a believer in the dicta that with work and attention agriculturalists can improve plant products over time. Spain wins (at the moment).

45 posted on 06/04/2010 5:06:20 PM PDT by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: JRandomFreeper

Excellent re-tort (pun intended).


46 posted on 06/04/2010 5:07:17 PM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: JRandomFreeper

So each state must regulate whether Planters Deluxe Mix has no peanuts? Each state must regulate if Vitamin C tablets have any vitamin C? Each state must regulate if motor oil meets the standards for a particular grade?

That is ludicrous!

Caveat emptor indeed! How do you keep track of all the things you buy? How can you make decisions on what to buy? There are standards now ... but if there were none?


47 posted on 06/04/2010 5:10:24 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: Defiant

Tessio turned, but Clemenza? He seemed to personally like Michael.


48 posted on 06/04/2010 5:12:19 PM PDT by Riley (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: BunnySlippers
That is ludicrous!


49 posted on 06/04/2010 5:12:36 PM PDT by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: maine-iac7; 1010RD
"If the feds are going to stick their noses into our refrigerators and kitchen cabinets and take the salt shakers off our tables - let them first do something about the areas WE CANNOT."

Exactly my point. This is something that cannot be done by the average consumer. 1010RD says, "let the buyer beware", this is something I agree with most of the time but the "buyer" would need a chemistry set and a degree in chemistry to figure out what is in their olive oil.

50 posted on 06/04/2010 5:14:12 PM PDT by Artemis Webb (DeMint 2012)
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To: BunnySlippers
UL standards are free market standards. ASTM standards specify motor oil standards. And fuel standards. Is it a government agency?

We don't need government for standards.

That is a free market function.

No UL listing? No sale. No ASTM standard on the oil can? No sale.

/johnny

51 posted on 06/04/2010 5:14:24 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: OldDeckHand
If there no legal standard of "extra virgin"

This is the flaw in many FReepers otherwise conservative thinking. What is "extra virgin" olive oil?

You never need to know. Mavens study the issue (look up "mavens" and see how important they are to commerce and liberty) and then you can investigate it if it is important to you.

Otherwise it really isn't an issue. If widespread fraud is occurring and extra virgin means nothing, then consumers will react correctly.

You cannot correct for every flaw and some torts are beneath notice.

52 posted on 06/04/2010 5:15:03 PM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: Artemis Webb; JoeProBono

Extra virgin: Your teen-aged girlfriend’s kid sister wants to tag along.


53 posted on 06/04/2010 5:15:06 PM PDT by flowerplough (Damn the middle-class social conventions that require me to mow all those violets and buttercups!)
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To: JoeProBono

That’s how I make mine every morning, but there’s three in the pan and some onions too!


54 posted on 06/04/2010 5:16:03 PM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD
"Fraud is always illegal"

If there's no standard, there's no fraud. Currently, from a legal perspective, "extra virgin" has the same legal relevance as "tasty". It's meaningless. Are you going to sue someone for fraud if your snack isn't "tasty", although that's how it was marketed? You might, but you won't prevail at trial.

Since there's no legal standard defining what is or is not "extra virgin", everything is extra virgin. You have no basis for a fraud claim, even if what you were sold isn't remotely extra virgin.

55 posted on 06/04/2010 5:16:38 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: muawiyah

I have not had a first press that I did not like but I doubt that I have been exposed to lives that bad.

Your premise that first press is for phonies is wrong. The first press of a batch of olives is the best of that batch ... that is, if you like the fresh full olive flavor. Not everyone does. I do as do many others.

But to write off anyone who likes extra virgin as a phony silly.


56 posted on 06/04/2010 5:17:22 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: Riley

As a personal anecdote, a few years ago while in Central Park, I saw Abe Vigoda quietly amble in and sit on a park bench ... I thought about going over, sit next to him, and say “I always thought it would be Clemenza”, but I didn’t have the nerve to do it. Oh well, would’ve been kinda amusing anyway :) He probably gets that sort of thing all the time and would have a laugh about it too


57 posted on 06/04/2010 5:17:38 PM PDT by Mr_Moonlight
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To: Artemis Webb
most of the time but the "buyer" would need a chemistry set and a degree in chemistry to figure out what is in their olive oil.

Or go with the International Olive Oil Council standards, and not buy a product that doesn't have their imprimatur.

But that's not a federal government agency, so that doesn't mean anything to the statists on FR.

/johnny

58 posted on 06/04/2010 5:18:54 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

What about food? Do you care what is in it? Or are you willing to be hoodwinked? As long as you can sue, of course.

I also believe in truth in advertising.


59 posted on 06/04/2010 5:19:05 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: BunnySlippers

No need to sue. Let’s imagine you and I buy ACME Vitamin C for $10 each bottle. On a lark we test it and find out it isn’t vitamin C what will happen?

1. We stop buying ACME brand and tell all our friends.
2. We could sue ACME under class action for damages.
3. 1. or 2. would end ACME as a company and vitamin producer.
4. The publicity would put other manufacturers on notice.
5. They’d respond by either leaving the market or using their true vitamin C content as a selling point backed up by a private testing lab - a la UL.

No government intervention, except a fair, swift and objective judicial system.


60 posted on 06/04/2010 5:20:08 PM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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