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Feds get picky over what makes oil 'extra virgin'
AP ^ | 060410 | JULIANA BARBASSA

Posted on 06/04/2010 4:31:40 PM PDT by Artemis Webb

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To: OldDeckHand
So you don't mind when you buy something marketed as "sterling silver" and you find out later it's really just chrome plated? You're fine with that? You don't think the government has any role in enforcing "truth in advertising" standards?

Sterling is a term of weight and measure which the government is Constitutionally authorized to regulate. "Extra Virgin" is just a marketing term that is not a guarantee of any weight or measure, just 'grade', like calling something "Premium".

21 posted on 06/04/2010 4:48:56 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: JRandomFreeper
"That looks like a State function or a tort, from my point of view."

Well since you bring it up: Olive oil is shipped across state lines. You obviously can't have 50 different labels for a product. This would fall under "providing for interstate commerce", which is a Constitutional requirement.

Thanks for playin'.

22 posted on 06/04/2010 4:49:10 PM PDT by Artemis Webb (DeMint 2012)
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To: BunnySlippers
Doesn't your state have laws against fraud, false advertising, etc??? Can't you already sue as an individual that purchased Texas Light Sweet Crude labeled as EEVO?

Why applaud an increase in the illegitimate power grab of the Federal Government.

/johnny

23 posted on 06/04/2010 4:49:51 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

See number 20.

When buying a bottle of vitamins, does every state have to check for standards?


24 posted on 06/04/2010 4:49:53 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: OldDeckHand; Artemis Webb
The US Constitution puts the federales in charge of "weights and measures" so if you come up with some standard deal like "virgin, extravirgin, etc." the federales get to he'p you deal with it uniformly.

I use a simple system to judge the olive oil I buy. For salads I buy it in those slim black bottles with the square bottoms ~ the reason has nothing to do with elemental "quality" but with AGE. The bottles are smaller, look smart on the counter, and I'll use the oil up on salads and veggies sooner rather than later.

I buy Spanish grown olive oil for everything else. The reason is it's higher quality (no stuff floating in it), always the same quality bottle after bottle, year after year, and has good shelf life.

The virgin/extravirgin nonsense is for the food phonies!

25 posted on 06/04/2010 4:50:22 PM PDT by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: JRandomFreeper
What gives the FedGov the lawful power to regulate that?

In the case of the silver analogy, the government is authorized by the Constitution to regulate weights and measures. A marketing term that signifies "grade" however, isn't authorized to the fedgov.

26 posted on 06/04/2010 4:50:27 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: muawiyah
so if you come up with some standard deal like "virgin, extravirgin, etc." the federales get to he'p you deal with it uniformly.

Except the Olive Oil terms aren't measures of weight or measure but grade- the government doesn't have authority over that.

27 posted on 06/04/2010 4:51:33 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: JRandomFreeper
'That is a tort, individually, and possibly fraud charges at the State level."

A tort based on what? If there no legal standard of "extra virgin", then everything can be extra virgin. You have no bases upon which to build a tort claim.

"What gives the FedGov the lawful power to regulate that?"

The Commerce Clause, or so held the Supreme Court in a number of challenges to the The 1938 Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act.

28 posted on 06/04/2010 4:51:40 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: JRandomFreeper
Where does the power to enforce that reside, Constitutionally? At the state level? Or FedGov?

Fed's Interstate Commerce clause maybe.

29 posted on 06/04/2010 4:51:55 PM PDT by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: muawiyah

Not really. The first press is the best.


30 posted on 06/04/2010 4:51:59 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: JoeProBono

Joe we can always count on you to take the high road. :)


31 posted on 06/04/2010 4:52:34 PM PDT by Artemis Webb (DeMint 2012)
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To: Artemis Webb
Everything. Absolutely Everything falls under the ICC if you misread it like a liberal.

It's the statists final fall-back. That, and general welfare.

The founding fathers warned us about this.

/johnny

32 posted on 06/04/2010 4:53:10 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Artemis Webb

33 posted on 06/04/2010 4:55:30 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Someone already hit on it. The 1938 Food Drug and Cosmetics
Act.

I would not expect each state to determine in advance if the product is so stated.

You, it would appear, be interested in buying tablets that do nothing, but which say Vitamin C, as long as you can sue.


34 posted on 06/04/2010 4:58:17 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: mnehring
The Republic is lost if so-called conservatives cheer for federal regulation into every aspect of our lives.

/johnny

35 posted on 06/04/2010 4:59:13 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

The last time I bought a Big Mac, I was sorely disappointed that it wasn’t “Big”. I think I want Obama to intervene.


36 posted on 06/04/2010 5:00:01 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: Artemis Webb; All
If the feds are going to stick their noses into our refrigerators and kitchen cabinets and take the salt shakers off our tables - let them first do something about the areas WE CANNOT.

Get that damnable HFCS (High Fructose Corn Syrup) out of our foods. Read your labels on juices, sodas, cereal, candy, soups, ANYTHING you buy - and 95% of the time, youe will the poison, High Fructose Corn Syrup.

is sounds innocent. IT IS NOT. “Wonder why we have an obesity explosion in this country?

I've been writing about this for years. They're finally catching up - but it will take a lot to get this poison out of our foods. (It's banned in Canada, the UK and other places.)

Here's one article - from Princeton Research - but just GOOGLE ‘high fructose corn syrup.

http://www.princeton.edu/main/news/archive/S26/91/22K07/

37 posted on 06/04/2010 5:00:54 PM PDT by maine-iac7
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To: Riley

He was absolutely loyal to the Don, but I think all bets are off about whether they, founding partners of the family, would be subservient to the Don’s sons.


38 posted on 06/04/2010 5:01:45 PM PDT by Defiant (Obama hawking Special K-- www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rDJdHQspuI)
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To: mnehring
Sure it has something to do with specific gravity ~ among other things. Theoretically the first pressing has a higher ratio of oil to water, and succeeding pressings of the same old olives having a lower ratio of oil to water until finally there's nothing left but fiber and water.

It's a "measure" by every meaning of the term in the Constitution.

I really hope none of you folks think the differentiations have to do only with "marketing" ~ they've been using this since before the Greek nobleman Cleisthenes financed the founding of formal state democracy with taxes on the profits of olive farms established through credit union loans to farmers!

In my experience with olive oil modern technology has made these older "measures" less than adequate for the insurance of high quality for cooking and eating. Hence, the black bottle deal AND the preference for Spanish olive oil which is harvested and processed with modern equipment.

A word to the wise, I grew up in a time and place where olive oil was rarely seen. As I became wiser in the ways of the world I found that olive oil is rich in all the things you need to control your cholesterol and make lettuce and tomatoes taste better. Today I will select olive oil or a product that uses olive oil over its exact counterpart based on corn, dairy products, cotton seed oil or soybeans.

My cholesterol levels are normal or BELOW!

39 posted on 06/04/2010 5:02:07 PM PDT by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: JRandomFreeper
"Everything. Absolutely Everything falls under the ICC if you misread it like a liberal."

You're an aviation buff, right? Think about the quality of metals used in aircraft engines. That's not by mistake. The FAA inspects these parts to ensure that the metal is the standard of metal that is mandated by either statute or administrative rule.

What gives the FedGov the power to issue such regulations? The Commerce Clause? Why? Because these parts are bought and sold across state lines, and they're installed in aircraft that fly quite intranationally.

The same principle applies here. People selling certain grades of titanium are meeting standards that are established by the FedGov, just like people selling "extra virgin" olive oil will need to meet certain standards, or they can't call it "extra virgin".

40 posted on 06/04/2010 5:02:10 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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