Posted on 05/25/2010 12:56:42 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo
Just found this photo from Communist North Korea from several days ago apparantly during one of dictator Kim Jong il's "on the spot guidance tours".
and also here:
Note the manufacturer of the computer monitor (and presumably the hard drive itself) (Dell Computer, Round Rock, Texas, USA), which General Secretary Kim Jong-il is inspecting.
Link to article on North Korean news through Japanese website:
” AiT is a class act, and one of the most respected FReepers bar none, and if he believes something is worthy of being posted and investigated, that’s good enough for me. He’s on the ground in the Far East and has a far better perspective than most of us regarding events in that region. Ditto for TigerLikesRooster who definitely keeps his ear to the ground, and those two fine FReepers are going to be our ‘go to’ guys when and if (more likely ‘when’) war breaks out between Pyongyang and Seoul.”
Amen, brother!
I’m sure the smugglers and foreign manufacturers go out their way to comply with the “Export Compliance Assurance Policy.”
I agree completely with you, but what if he was standing in front of a Lenovo computer built in China, would people be as upset then? Heck I bet Dell computers are sitting on the WalMart shelves in China as we speak, it would be about as hard ans keeping a Canadian from buying one and getting it across their border.
(I was going to use the example of Kim driving around in a Buick and people going after GM for it, but now that it’s controlled by the Obama administration...)
You missed the point on my Kleenex reference—the stuff is ubiquitous. Same goes for Dell. Coca-cola. Ford.
C’mon, guys. Let’s be real.
Ditto that.
Unless there's some proof forthcoming that Dell sold the hardware in question directly to the DPRK, it's a total non-story.
Wondering how many Trojan Horse attacks out of Amnkokgang College, Kim Il Sung University, KPA training centers (cyber warfare) have been unleashed on ROK military systems in the South, including US Forces Korea computer systems—using these Dells and others. Would be interesting to note indeed.
Generally, on a day of extreme pissed-offness at North Korea for a variety of reasons (I dont like their movements this evening along the DMZ and elsewhere(, this might be the case.
Don’t give Room 702 or wherever the hell it is inside the Korean Workers Party headquarters in Pyongyang, any advance notice! ;-)
Thanks for the kind words, friend.
This will be a interesting week out here guys.
Thanks for the ping AIT
But obviously NOT versed in the legal side of export law.
This thread brings valid questions. DELL should be very interested in getting to the bottom of this. It'll be good to see what they come up with.
More than an engineer. I own a business that exports high tech equipment all over the world.
The ignorance, to put it kindly, expressed here by people such as your self is frankly shocking.
Dude, you obviously are NOT versed in reality.
Lets send a spy to NK so we can get a serial number off a commodity computer which there are millions of... Then lets see who that serial number was sold to... That’s realistic -NOT... No meaningful “investigation” is possible without the serial number...
Oh, Dell’s are legally sold in China... Duh... Gee no one there would have sold NK a computer through a third party...
These comments are beyond stupid. Get a grip.
You geniuses finely outed me...
” More than an engineer. I own a business that exports high tech equipment all over the world.”
BF Deal, I have done business all over the world, and lived all over the world.
” The ignorance, to put it kindly, expressed here by people such as your self is frankly shocking. “
No, what is shocking is your amazing obtuseness in thinking we don’t know that there are many methods of sale and resale. That was not the point of the post. Of course some asshole in Kuala Lumpur can resell to North Korea. We are interested in Dell’s take on this. Nothing more, nothing less.
If you have a beef with the title of the thread, have at it, maven.
Dell’s take on it?
That’s the point of the thread?
With the title ‘BUSTED: “Is DELL Computer Aiding N. Korea [Weapons Program] In Violation of US Federal Law?”’
Dell’s policy is obviously not to sell computers to countries on the US export restrictions list or to people who will export their computers to those countries.
Obtuse is suggesting they sold them to NK directly or that an “investigation” is warranted while knowing full well that Dell has sold billions of computers world wide. If there were 20 super computers in the world and one found its way to NK, one can identify the other super computers and therefore identify the one that made its way to NK and then see who they sold it to. That is impossible when billions of them have been sold. To suggest otherwise is just plain ignorant. So are you going to send a human spy into NK to identify a $600 commodity computer’s serial number in the picture so you can see who it was originally sold to? A total waste of a resources. And then after you do it, what have you got? Zip. It isn’t illegal to sell a Dell computer on eBay or any number of other third party brokers.
What if it was a Chinese branded computer instead of a Dell with an Intel processor in it? Are going to demand that Intel explain themselves. Claim that Intel is “Aiding N. Korea’s Weapon Program”? Brain dead.
Obtuse is this whole thread. Totally devoid of basic reality.
” So are you going to send a human spy into NK to identify a $600 commodity computer’s serial number in the picture so you can see who it was originally sold to? “
No, nor did I suggest same.
” What if it was a Chinese branded computer instead of a Dell with an Intel processor in it? “
No, nor did I suggest it.
I asked if you had a beef with the title. You did. So do I. So does AIT, after thinking about it some.
Have a nice day ;-)
This thread is like taking a picture of Mrs. stephenjohnbanker with a bruise on her head and then posting a thread titled “BUSTED: “Is Mr. stephenjohnbanker beating his wife?”.
Never mind that there’s only a few billion perfectly innocent explanations regarding Mr. stephenjohnbanker’s involvement to explain the known facts, we’re going to speculate the worst possible conclusion based on zero evidence and post it world wide.
No, nothing wrong with that...
Have at it. I’m done.
Monk you got photoshop this ROFL
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