Posted on 05/21/2010 8:13:04 PM PDT by steve0
Nuke the BP oil spill drill hole, it will seal it just as the Russians have done at 9 other sites. Too much money and environmental damage is at stake and we can no longer allow PC & environazis to prevent the correct action from being considered and taken. Obama promised to use science in determination of policy, yet they have taken the nuclear option off the table.
Eat your chicken, put your firecrackers away, and let the professionals handle it.>>>>>>
Eight days later we know they have failed. Top killed flunked out.
But, Hey, I don't live near the gulf, I don't eat much seafood, We have our own oil in ND, we have our own fish.
Tell you what. Don't even wait for the relief wells to kill the well. I mean, who wants to wait TWO WHOLE MONTHS? (Not like the Ixtoc, that took 10 months to control).
Go on y'all, get your little flashbang rocks off, make sure you stand on the beach when it goes off and face the device, please--and don't piss around, use at least 20MT.
Just keep your living refugees, please.
There is a lot of hype out there, and some people in the world who would just love to see the US impatiently run out and really, really F**K up the Gulf of Mexico, not just as a food source, but as an energy source, as a shipping area, the works.
Socialists and jihadis worldwide would sing songs for generations about that sort of epic stupidity.
After all one of the news outlets shilling for this idea is:
Presstv Description: Iran's television network, broadcasting in English round-the-clock. Based in Tehran.
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link to the end of the worlD!!!
as they hype it.
That is the surface geology, fine, but the pay zone in question is some 13,000 ft. down. Plenty far from their 'moonscape salts'.
*** Salt is the dominant structural element of the ultra-deepwater Gulf of Mexico petroleum system. Large horizontal salt sheets, driven by the huge Plio-Pleistocene to Oligocene sediment dump of the Mississippi, Rio Grande and other Gulf Coast Rivers, dominate the slope to the Sigsbee escarpment. Salt movement is recorded by large, stepped, counter-regional growth faults and down-to-the-basin fault systems soling into evacuated salt surfaces. Horizontal velocities of salt movement to the south are in the several cm/year range, making this supposedly passive margin as tectonically active as most plate boundaries.
Here in the WIlliston Basin, as in the Michigan Basin, there are also large salt formations in the subsurface. They flow as well, and in this basin will crush oil well casing which is not sufficiently heavy walled to resist the pressure of that flow.
Turbidites are not salts, though, and I must presume they mean the lowest part of the turbidite bed when they speak of perms over a darcy. Later stages of a turbidite bed are generally shale or silt and could only muster a darcy of perm if they were fractured. (graded bedding).
Releasing the geological data won't make any difference in bringing the well under control. That will take a little physics, properly applied.
That's what the relief wells are for.
The problem is one of exerting enough hydrostatic pressure on the producing formation by filling the hole from the bottom up with heavy drilling fluid (which incidentally, will flow anywhere the oil does now, and exert just as much pressure no matter what the diameter of the fluid column. That is what the relief wells are for.
How cute that you are up in ND. Really cute. People on the Gulf Coastlines are understandably more interested in a nuke or any other way of stopping the oil before if ruins all Gulf resources, marshes, beaches, fishing, tourism and employment. No one in their right mind goes up to ND for a vacation but millions do go to the Louisiana, Alabama and Florida coasts. It is called tourism and it brings in billions
You see this video I hope-—>>http://www.businessinsider.com/how-a-nuke-could-plug-the-oil-well-2010-5
What sediments and rock BP drilled through. What is down there is called “proprietary information”. You can take educated guesses I suppose
Just one hairline fracture can have a darcy or more of permeability. You aren't talking millidarcys here, more like megadarcys.
Like I said, let the professionals do their job.
Will you please get off the ruin everything forever kick? Yes, it's going to make a mess. Yes, it will hurt the fishing industry, tourism (maybe--y'all got any rooms left between the cleanup guys and the journalists?), crabbing and shrimping--for a year or two. Believe it or not, I can understand that kind of economic pain.
I grew up on tidewater, far from here, and I understand the type of damage that can occur. I have held a commercial fisheries license.
I live here now because of the relatively low percentage of idiots in the general population--idiots don't handle our winters well, and the survivors move south after spring thaw.
The Russians haven't had 100% success with the nukes, have they?
Have you possibly considered what oil carrying radioactive material from your 'solution' would do to the seafood, tourist, and beach bunny industry? Not just in the Gulf, but as it made its way around the Keys and up the East Coast into the tidewater estuaries there? For decades?
As I have repeatedly pointed out, the probability of the relief wells bringing this under control is in excess of 99%. It hasn't failed because the wells aren't done yet.
Everything done so far at the riser and the wellhead has been aimed at either shutting the well in or recovering as much oil as possible before it gets anywhere near a beach, or dispersing it so the bacteria can handle it better.
In 1979, the Ixtoc 1 well blew out in the Bay of Campeche. Funny thing about the Bay of Campeche, it is the southern bight of the Gulf of Mexico. Somehow, it didn't destroy the whole world's food chain--or even the Gulf's, even after nine months of running wild.
How much damage is that nobel spinner from hell going to do to the Gulf? The Russians must be laughing their asses off at the thought of not only wrecking the ecosystem down there with a nuke, but the continued oil washing up on the beaches--with no way left to plug the well.
So put your big girl panties on and handle the fact that to get the job done is going to take a little more time, instead of letting your instantaneous gratification fetish run wild. Getting in a hurry made this mess, and getting in an all-fired hurry isn't going to fix it.
lol
#0 Your professionals made mistakes that created the original blowout
#1 Your professionals effed up the recent repair jobs and top kills
#2 no seawater will be rushing into the hole
#3 some nuclear physicists have been consulting with the White House http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/oilandgas/7726142/Barack-Obama-sends-nuclear-experts-to-tackle-BPs-Gulf-of-Mexico-oil-leak.html
#4 what do you care how it turns out? You are far far away
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By James Quinn in Louisana
Published: 7:57PM BST 14 May 2010
Barack Obama sends nuclear experts to tackle BP’s Gulf of Mexico oil leak
The US has sent a team of nuclear physicists to help BP plug the “catastrophic” flow of oil into the Gulf of Mexico from its leaking Deepwater Horizon well, as the Obama administration becomes frustrated with the oil giant’s inability to control the situation.
Barack Obama has sent five nuclear experts to tackle BP’s Gulf of Mexico oil leak. Mr Obama, standing with Interior Secretary Ken Salazar, center, and Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano, left, delivers remarks in the Rose Garden of the White House in Washington following his closed meeting with his Cabinet and other senior administration officials on the ongoing effort to stop the BP oil spill.
Barack Obama has sent five nuclear experts to tackle BP’s Gulf of Mexico oil leak. Photo: AP
The five-man team – which includes a man who helped develop the first hydrogen bomb in the 1950s – is the brainchild of Steven Chu, President Obama’s Energy Secretary.
He has charged the men with finding solutions to stop the flow of oil.
Do you realize that "looking forward to the disclaimer" means these people WANT the relief wells to fail???
Think about it.
Since you reccommend an investment website for geo-engineering, how about I give you a link for investment advice: Geoscience World
Who is “these people”? They are just commentators. Some are good and maybe others are anarchistic. That is a good website....Business Insider
I understand people want a fast solution.
Sorry, but there isn't one.
A nuke will make a bigger mess, not solve the problem, just complicate it.
Someone apparently got in a hurry--which gets more people killed in this industry than any other single cause. They won't be working on the relief wells, 'cause they're dead.
#1 Your professionals effed up the recent repair jobs and top kills
Sometimes, when something is broken, it can't be fixed. I guess you never owned an old car, or you'd know that.
The top kill was problematic from the start. It wasn't "effed up", it just did not work.
#2 no seawater will be rushing into the hole
Oh. this has been done in the Gulf of Mexico's geology, with 2200 psi of seawater above, an estimated 15000psi of producing formation below, and it isn't going to leak. Even though completely dry tests run in Nevada, in the desert, did. Right.
#3 some nuclear physicists have been consulting with the White House
This isn't just about the nuke, this is about the geology as well, geology BP hasn't released, according to one of your other links, and which I have found nuclear physicists to be particularly ignorant of, even though they may well be brilliant in their field.
#4 what do you care how it turns out? You are far far away
I may be a petroleum geologist, but despite all the envirowhacko propaganda about eeevil oil, I do not want any ecosystem to get trashed, even temporarily.
I have seen the effects of ill-considered 'solutions' on an estuary, and the one I held my commercial fishing license in was killed--and has not recovered fourty years later, by ill considered solutions to problems--and it was done by a government agency. Until then, Blue Crab were plentiful there, as were oysters, fish, and a species of clam no longer found there that made an excellent chowder.
That estuary forms one of the boundaries to land that has been in my family over 350 years. Yeah. It's personal.
So, if you would, excuse the hell out of me while I try to talk people out of clamoring for another government sponsored 'solution' with a very high probability of creating a far larger and longer lived mess than the known solutions for the sake of supposedly taking care of the problem a whole month earlier than the generally accepted method will.
You can trot out all the theoretical physicists you want, and that is every bit as appropriate as sending a team of neurosurgeons down to help you fix your car.
Their sheepskins might be impressive, but it is a misapplication of mental horsepower--and not one person who knows the nuts and bolts of the oil and gas industry in the bunch.
Look up the guys who have been known as the go-to guys in the industry for stopping a wild well, guys like Red Adair or Boots and Coots, and see how much they studied nuclear physics.
Nice post....Just to let you know I read the fruits of your labor. As a courtesy. Here is yesterday’s nuke thread at the oil drum——>>>
http://anz.theoildrum.com/node/6532
Wort case scenario is being discussed at the oil drum. If the well collapses we should still consider nukes. However, I agree someone needs to do a study first to ensure it doesn’t collapse the whole sea bed causing a complete bleed out or gush out of the entire oil deposit.
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