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Automotive Advice (Ball Joints)
May 20, 2010 | Self

Posted on 05/20/2010 11:18:45 AM PDT by library user

Hi, I have a question regarding ball joint replacement on a 1999 Bravada.

When I was driving home from work today, the upper ball joint on the front right side gave out and the tire caved inward.

The car is at the mechanic now and he said he would replace the two worn (upper) ball joints on the front wheels for $500.

But isn't it true that you should have BOTH the upper and lower repaired for each wheel that has an issue? In my case, the two front tires. So really it's a total of four ball joints for the two front tires.

For that he wants $900.

Isn't $900 too much considering we're only talking about the front of the car?

Can some auto-savy FReeper please clue me in on what they'd do and if these prices seem like a rip off to you?

Thanks a lot. And yes, I'm logged on. :P


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To: library user

I replaced everything last time...upper and lower also tie rod joints and bushings then got a wheel alignment. If one thing is worn out chances are other stuff is starting to fail. The tires will wear out a lot faster when any of these items get loose.


21 posted on 05/20/2010 11:44:56 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: library user

How much longer do you plan to keep it?

If you plan to dump it soon, do the minimum.

Otherwise, replace everything that is worn. If you do, you will probably notice the car will be a lot nicer to drive than it was, because it was degrading gradually so you didn’t really notice it happening.


22 posted on 05/20/2010 11:48:06 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Republicans should campaign like Rush Limbaugh. A lot more of them would get elected!)
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To: library user

The ball joints are $26/ea at Autozone (with a lifetime warranty).

Where are you? For $500, I will come replace all 4 of them. LOL.


23 posted on 05/20/2010 11:50:12 AM PDT by patton (Obama has replaced "Res Publica" with "Quod licet Jovi non licet bovi.")
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To: library user

Not an expert, but we just replaced the upper and lower ball joints in my husband’s 2005 Dodge Ram 2500 and total cost for the parts was $325 and I assume they would be a bit bigger than on a Bravada. Albeit, my husband did the labor himself. But $500 labor sounds a bit ridiculous, imo.


24 posted on 05/20/2010 11:51:35 AM PDT by JenB987 (I'm still an American and 'til they take that away from me there's no day ruined. - El Rushbo)
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To: library user
I would replace them all. Yes you can save some money doing only the lowers, but piece of mind has value as well and I have seen as many cars have only one set done and fail soon afterwards as I have seen folks get away with it.

As for me, a 3-4000 pound machine carrying my family at 70 MPH is not something I scrimp on.

25 posted on 05/20/2010 11:53:55 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (Christians: Stand for Christ or stand aside...)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway
Headlight fluid rarely goes bad. Blinker fluid is another thing altogether. I recommend using only high-quality synthetic blinker fluid for replacement.


26 posted on 05/20/2010 11:54:48 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (No Representation without Taxation!)
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To: library user
Per care quest auto parts.
lower ball joints part# RK 5335 COST 19.51 LIST (SHOP PRICE)38.60 UPPER BALL JOINTS RK 5320 COST 15.00 LIST 29.69.
THESE ARE HOUSE BRAND BALL JOINTS.
Labor upper per side 1.1 hrs . lower 1.6 hrs per side.
If the ball joints have been replace before the replacements. are bolt on . the originals were riveted. I can easily do all 4 in about 2hrs.and at my labor rate would be 134.00. if you shop around it can be done cheaper.
27 posted on 05/20/2010 11:54:59 AM PDT by sopwith (don't tread on me)
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To: patton

I was thinking $500 was sounding high for a domestic car, but didn’t know, so I was keeping my mouth shut.

I could do all 4 uppers on an Audi of that vintage for $300 in parts plus another $125 for a 4-wheel alignment, and typically domestic parts are *much* cheaper. I’m guessing stamped steel vs. cast aluminum has a lot to do with that in this comparison.


28 posted on 05/20/2010 11:59:03 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (No Representation without Taxation!)
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To: Oscar the Grouch
My Accord, which I bought new many moons ago, has 471,000 miles on its original engine and transmission, and is on its 4th set of lower ball joints. I commute everyday with it. I have never replaced the uppers. They just don’t take the same beating as the lower joints.

I don't think Accords have upper ball joints.

29 posted on 05/20/2010 12:02:02 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: FreedomPoster

I just had Merchants Tire do an alignment on my plow for $150 - that was for the 3-year program, on a heavy truck. I replace the tie rods myself, but I don’t own an alignment rack.


30 posted on 05/20/2010 12:06:17 PM PDT by patton (Obama has replaced "Res Publica" with "Quod licet Jovi non licet bovi.")
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To: library user
IMO, as an ex-mechanic (albeit heavy equip - but still), $900.00 to replace both upper and lower ball joints on both sides is a pretty good deal - if he's a good honest mechanic - and as long as he's accounting for a full alignment at that price.

But if you've been driving roads that beat the ball joints out of your car in 150k miles, then those busted ball joints are just the tip of the iceberg floating in your money pit.

Your greater problem is that if your ball joints were sufficiently worn to the point of failure while operating, then it's very likely that everything else in your steering/front suspension is probably also pretty well beaten to shit.

At best, all that slop will preclude ever getting a decent alignment after replacing your ball joints. At worst, you'll be back in a month when the Pittman arm, a CV joint, or a tie rod goes. Well, actually at worst, you'll be wrecked somewhere along the side of the road when something or other fails "at speed". Those components are somewhat critical.

At any rate, it's either going to nickle and dime (actually $50 & $100) you to death, one piece at a time - or you're going to pay a bunch of money to fix it all at once. Either way, at 150k miles, it's probably throwing good money after bad.

I'm sure you can find plenty of "mechanics" who will gladly let you pay them to slap expensive new parts on a cheap old car. The trick is finding one honest enough to tell you when you need to just fold it up and replace the car.

Most American cars are not designed to last more than about 100k miles before they really start to eat more than they're worth. NAPA guys gotta eat too..... ;<{)

All just my opinion of course.....

31 posted on 05/20/2010 12:10:02 PM PDT by conservativeharleyguy (Democrats: Over 60 million fooled daily!)
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To: library user

Buy the parts and surf up some instructions, then replace them yourself. Save your money for food and ammo.


32 posted on 05/20/2010 12:10:06 PM PDT by east1234 (It's the borders stupid! My new environmentalist inspired tagline: cut, kill, dig and drill)
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To: CarmichaelPatriot

>> my 8 vehicles

My, what an awesome carbon footprint you have! Does Al Gore know about this? :-)


33 posted on 05/20/2010 12:10:17 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Eat more spinach! Make Green Jobs for America!)
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To: conservativeharleyguy
Most American cars are not designed to last more than about 100k miles before they really start to eat more than they're worth. NAPA guys gotta eat too..... ;<{)

Got a 2004 Mustang GT with the original clutch(drove my first stick in 1963)and 100,400 miles. Should I plan a drive from Southeastern PA to Tucson? (;>)

34 posted on 05/20/2010 12:16:27 PM PDT by Stentor
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To: Nervous Tick

Hey, the guy might be a farmer or something...


35 posted on 05/20/2010 12:18:16 PM PDT by patton (Obama has replaced "Res Publica" with "Quod licet Jovi non licet bovi.")
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To: Stentor

Of course - just don’t plan to drive back.

Make sure you plot the addresses of every Ford dealer along the way into your Garmin before you leave......

It does however look like you just went out of warranty..... So take your checkbook as well.


36 posted on 05/20/2010 12:22:54 PM PDT by conservativeharleyguy (Democrats: Over 60 million fooled daily!)
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To: library user

IIRC, the Bravada is based on the S-10 platform.

Also, IIRC, the 4wd front suspension is completely different than the 2wd, both in terms of stronger components and different configuration (torsion bars on the 4wd and coil springs on the 2wd) to get around the mechanism for the 4wd (differentials, driveshafts, etc.)

My experience is with a 2000 Sierra (fullsize) 4wd. I have about the same mileage (and its a daily driver and tow rig) and I’ve replaced all four ball joints over the last five years and the first is up for replacement again. They were a royal PITA even with the specialized tools (one of which cost $200 and broke from the force).

So all that said, I would expect 4wd parts to be more expensive than 2wd, and I would expect the mechanic, if he’s had experience with these before, to quote high to cover his back if you still have the original components in there. He may end up barely breaking even if it takes longer than the time sheet and/or if he breaks one of his tools in the process.

Your Bravada is 11 years old. I don’t know where you live (but I do like your profile page, BTW). I live in snow/salt country, and that tends to fuse parts together over time.

I buy a lot of parts of www.rockauto.com. They carry ACDelco for about the cost of house brand Autozone. If your mechanic is amenable and you can wait a few days, maybe you can see if you can get the parts online cheaper. Of course, marking up parts may be part of his cost structure, or he may not trust you to not screw up the order, etc.

Best of luck.


37 posted on 05/20/2010 12:25:46 PM PDT by chrisser (Starve the Monkeys!)
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To: library user

I just replaced both the upper and lower ball joints on a 99 Grand Marque at the cost of $483.00. Check with Advance Auto Parts, Auto Zone or a Napa auto parts store ans ask who they recommend to do the work and what a reasonable price would be.
Money is just too hard to come by these days to blow an extra $400.00. And don’t just check with one of these. Check with all of them in person. $5.00 worth of gas beats $400.00 all day long.


38 posted on 05/20/2010 12:30:13 PM PDT by yellowhorse (6 good horses, 3 good women)
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To: patton; CarmichaelPatriot

>> Hey, the guy might be a farmer or something...

Don’t get me wrong, I ADMIRE his carbon footprint! Mine wants to be just like his when it grows up!


39 posted on 05/20/2010 12:44:23 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Eat more spinach! Make Green Jobs for America!)
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To: library user

People are holding on to their vehicles longer, so mechanics are charging more for their services. Changing out ball joints are a pain in the rear... but with a pickle fork and a single jack, its pretty straight forward... only time. I recently brought my car in for front brakes to Les Schwab who previously charged $69.95. The charge was $425 for the same service. Either pay it or do it yourself.


40 posted on 05/20/2010 12:44:27 PM PDT by Mashood
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