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To: ml/nj
We're talking late 18th century English here and the definitive reference for that and the entire history of English word usage is the Oxford English Dictionary. The entry for natural-born there makes it pretty clear that a natural-born subject did not have to be born in England, but only that his parents had to be English subjects.

Don't know about you, but I'm a citizen, not a subject. So were the founders. They rejected English common law, except for some definitions. But probably not this one.

The difference is, a subject can never become the sovereign. A citizen is the sovereign. The point of the "Natural born citizen" clause is to protect the nation, that is the people. The point of the Natural Born Subject laws and court decisions was to provide more subjects for the King.

274 posted on 05/15/2010 8:25:05 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato

Take a look at 228.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2513818/posts?page=228#228


277 posted on 05/15/2010 8:42:37 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: El Gato
Don't know about you, but I'm a citizen, not a subject

Are you being intentionally ignorant?

We are discussing here the meaning of an adjective. The OED (You should look at it sometime in a library, if you ever go.) is a history of the English language and so gives examples of when specific usage of words and phrases entered the language. In order to show how an adjective is used, you kinda have to use nouns. (Like, duh.) The relevant usage examples of natural-born and native-born entered the language as modifiers of the noun subject.

ML/NJ

317 posted on 05/16/2010 5:45:53 AM PDT by ml/nj
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