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Labradoodle Pioneer Regrets Fashioning 'Designer Dog'
foxnews ^ | May 02, 2010

Posted on 05/03/2010 7:32:40 AM PDT by JoeProBono

THE man who bred the first labradoodle - and in the process made the mutt a desirable accessory - says it's the great regret of his life. The coveted accessory has pushed out other breeds in terms of desirability.

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TOPICS: Pets/Animals
KEYWORDS: breeds; dog; jpb; labradoodle
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To: 9YearLurker

“I really don’t see what’s different about breeding two purebreds together on purpose and cross-breeding two purebreds on purpose. If people like the result, how is any harm done? “

Given that crossbreeds usually have fewer genetic health problems than pure-breeds, I don’t see the issue here.


101 posted on 05/03/2010 1:40:40 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: Pulpo

“Never cared for labs, too obsessed with fetching. Terrier guy myself, independent, tough and a good companion”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32bD4VMMzkg


102 posted on 05/03/2010 1:41:31 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: ronniesgal

I have a lab that is shedding like a buffalo. But I am late in getting her to the doggie groomer...I usually have her clipped at the beginning of the shedding season...it works great and keeps the shedding down to practacally nothing...The groomer had never done a lab before...you might want to try having them clipped...my lab gets clipped to about 1/2 inch of hair..she looks really sleek after being clipped...


103 posted on 05/03/2010 1:44:12 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: Salamander

““Hybrid vigor” is a myth, long disproved.

http://www.westwinddogtraining.com/hybridvigor.pdf

Don’t mean to offend but sorry, but it’s science.”

Well, a cross-breed dog vs. a highly inbred line, which do you prefer to pay the medical bills for?

If they only have a few lines for certain dog bree, then it seems to me they need to breed a few new lines of the same breed from the progenitor breeds.

Some of the purebreed dogs have so many health issues they cannot even breed with each other without outside help.


104 posted on 05/03/2010 1:45:12 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: GraceG

Exactly! If anything too much purebred in-breeding could be faulted because it leads to so many health issues and weaknesses within breeds.


105 posted on 05/03/2010 1:54:43 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: JoeProBono
We have a cockachon. (Cocker / Bichon Frise)

He's a noisy little bugger, but otherwise a pretty swell doggie.

106 posted on 05/03/2010 1:58:49 PM PDT by TChris ("Hello", the politician lied.)
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To: 9YearLurker

Some of these “purebred” lines need to be “re-bred” through simular selective breeding that was done to create the breed in the first place. Some of the current pruebred lines have only a few “lines” from which you can breed them with and those are heavily contaminated by the other breeding lines.

I have nothign against purebred lines, but soem are so heavily inbred the best thing to do is to “start-over” the breed by breeding for the origin breeds.


107 posted on 05/03/2010 2:10:54 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: JoeProBono

I “inherited” a “taco terrier” from my parents some years back because it was too high strung for them (miniature fox terrier and chihuahua mix). It was high maintenance for a couple years but now it is a great, great dog. I just love the little rascal.


108 posted on 05/03/2010 2:23:32 PM PDT by Lando Lincoln (Reconciliation happens in November!)
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To: GraceG
Some of the current pruebred lines have only a few “lines” from which you can breed them with and those are heavily contaminated by the other breeding lines.

I'm curious. Which purebreds would be on your "in-bred" watch list?

109 posted on 05/03/2010 2:25:18 PM PDT by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: Tallguy

Bull Terriers, Pomeranians are just a few off the top of my head. Usually the more “Ornamental breeds” suffer the most from this due to the breeding for more exaggerated traits of that breed. Some dogs that are bred for “flatter faces” are so heavily inbred that they require surger to correct airway problems.

There was an interestign documentary on it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedigree_Dogs_Exposed


110 posted on 05/03/2010 2:42:47 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: goat granny

Not THAT far! ;-) My grandfather used to say that, bless his heart. He passed on in the mid-70s. Sound like he and your aunt were of the same generation. Let’s see - my granddad was a 12th generation American - he was very thankful for the job he had delivering RC Cola during the Depression. My uncle went to live (and work) with cousins on a North Carolina farm because my granddad simply couldn’t feed his wife and 3 kids on his salary, and he was REALLY happy to have it at that. My dad told me all this a couple years ago, and he passed on last summer. I fondly remember working with my parents and my grandparents in their half-acre garden - a holdover from the Depression. Wish I had paid more attention back then.


111 posted on 05/03/2010 2:49:35 PM PDT by tgusa (Investment plan: blued steel, brass, lead, copper)
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To: GraceG
Bull Terriers, Pomeranians are just a few off the top of my head. Usually the more “Ornamental breeds” suffer the most from this due to the breeding for more exaggerated traits of that breed.

Well I'm very familiar with several terrier breeds though not the Bull Terrier. A breed that I have been involved with began developing a problem with Copper Toxicity about 15 years ago. The AKC breed club funded a major genetic study to identify the affected lines and the problem was effectively headed off before it became a major problem. These days you never hear about it.

This was possible because the vast majority of the private breeders were responsible & willing to make sacrifices for the betterment of the breed.

I hesitate to make generalizations about breeds where I don't have personal experience. I did checkout that Wiki article and it is entirely based on a British Documentary that strikes me as a hit-piece on the (British) Kennel Club. The Brits are further down the road than we are on the Animal Rights front, so I'd take anything their activists say with a huge grain of salt.

112 posted on 05/03/2010 2:56:51 PM PDT by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: cajungirl

You just gave me a glowing commercial for Poodles. They are nice dogs. No need to mix them with Labs.


113 posted on 05/03/2010 3:08:10 PM PDT by Frantzie (McCain=Obama's friend. McCain/Graham = La Raza's Senators & Estefan-Rubio)
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To: cripplecreek

I know who is in charge of your world or least your pup thinks he is .........giggle


114 posted on 05/03/2010 3:47:14 PM PDT by Kimmers (Be the kind of person when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, Oh crap, she's awake)
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To: Frantzie

well, the labs seem heartier to me but are dumb and the poodle would raise the breed.

Now you know what is going to happen. All the lab owners are going to take umbrage. I had a choc lab, the best damned retriever I ever saw, it was inbred and he was from a champion line of retrievers from Maryland’s eastern shore. But he was gunshy so the breeder gave him to me, his litter mates sold in the thousands. He was wonderful but dumb dumb dumb.


115 posted on 05/03/2010 4:11:01 PM PDT by cajungirl
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To: Kimmers
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116 posted on 05/03/2010 4:15:51 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: tgusa
LOL Your grandfather would have been the same generation as my aunt (fathers sister). I twisted my mind in knots trying to figure out what that meant...But in their generation hanging or shooting was the means of death penalty. You are probably the age of my adult kids...40's to 50's. It was my fathers oldest sister that used that expression...I guess the meaning is lost to history..It sounded kind of dumb to me when she said it..

Read your home page and my son was also navy in the late 70's to Reagan. Was a captain on the flight deck of a carrier. NO day dreaming allowed on the deck or you were dead...he said the worse was night time landings. Don't know how long he was in the reserve. He's a freeper also. Joined a couple of years before me...Son #2 was AirForce active for 9 years and unknown to me how many years in reserve...Now his oldest son is in the air Force...I guess I have raised a military family...The only other military from my fathers side I know of was a cousin of his that fought during the Civil war for the north and ended up in Andersonville Prison..Not a very nice place. He died young from diseases he contacted during his years in the prison camp...

If you ever find out what that saying means, drop me a line. I sure cannot figure it out......

117 posted on 05/03/2010 4:56:34 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: JoeProBono

Mutt as your claim to fame. What a hoser.

As owner of a couple of Lab/unknow...They are a delight.


118 posted on 05/03/2010 5:04:07 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Liberals are educated above their level of intelligence.. Thanks Sr. Angelica)
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To: goat granny
Been there my ownself.


119 posted on 05/03/2010 5:37:33 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: cajungirl
Ah...the dog most commonly used for seeing eye dog work and bomb detection work by the BATF is a Labrador Retriever. Most common for this work are yellow Labs. Yellows are my favorities followed by Black Labs (best field Labs) then Chocolates. I have seen many of these patient Yellow Lab angels helping blind people and people with disabilities at Seeing Eye Schools and Canine Companions for disabled people. They are incredibly dedicated and patient angels. Poddles are smart and beautiful dogs but they cannot do this work. Golden Retrievers are good and so are German Shepherds but Labrador Retrievers excel at these jobs. These just know it is there job to take care of the person. The Labs know this person's life depends on them. I seriously doubt Labs would excel at leading blind people through cities, on subways, in skyscrpers and down stairwells on 9/11 if they were "dumb."
120 posted on 05/03/2010 6:13:15 PM PDT by Frantzie (McCain=Obama's friend. McCain/Graham = La Raza's Senators & Estefan-Rubio)
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