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To: PAR35
PAR35: "Find something better than Wikipedia, and I’ll be happy to read it."

Do you seriously deny that Hitler carved up France, confiscating whatever resources and territories he wanted, including hundreds of thousands of French slave laborers, and that's not even to mention the Jews?

Really, any suggestion that Hitler's treatment of France was somehow "fair" or "just" is ludicrous -- except, of course, in contrast to his genocide in Poland or elsewhere in the East.

And if you will not accept the word of Wikipedia on this, then I'd be curious to learn which historical "authorities" you do believe?

PAR35: "In the meantime, we can all celebrate how Roosevelt threw out the welcome mat to the Jews on the St. Louis, before they chose to seek refuge in the low countries."

Mark my words carefully on this: During that period, and for the only time in American history, the vast majority of refugees landing here were Jews.
Roosevelt did everything he legally could to increase that number, and to find other homes for those who could not reach America.

But he was highly restricted by both Congress and entrenched interests in the State Department, some of whom lied to him, exaggerating their efforts.
American anti-Semitism of that era can in no-way be compared to Nazi Germany, but it did exist to the point of restricting numbers who could legally enter.

The St. Louis incident happened in May 1939 -- months before Hitler's invasion of Poland, before any declarations of war, and a full year before Hitler's invasion of western Europe.
As a result of American officials' efforts:

At the time all appeared to be safe from Hitler's persecution -- which did not then include genocide.
Years later, after overrunning Holland, Belgium and France, Nazis murdered 254 of the St. Louis Jews.

So, in what sense was this Roosevelt's fault?

"In 1993 Gustav Schröder was posthumously named as one of the Righteous Among the Nations at the Yad Vashem Holocaust Memorial in Israel in recognition of his heroism in finding safe haven for his passengers on the MS St. Louis."

15 posted on 05/05/2010 5:15:32 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: BroJoeK
And if you will not accept the word of Wikipedia on this, then I'd be curious to learn which historical "authorities" you do believe?

Contemporary German documentation; legitimate academic publication; researched and documented popular press; Other material to be evaluated on a case by case basis. Poor quality wartime or postwar propaganda not accepted, nor are maps drawn for Wikipedia publication.

I looked to see if the Wikipedia material was properly sourced (some is) before questioning you, but this looked to be home cooked garbage.

16 posted on 05/05/2010 5:57:56 PM PDT by PAR35
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