[dajeeps]

I found this while doing some research for an essay. To me it seems like prophecy on the virge of being fulfilled and I thought I'd share it.

[HuntsvilleTxVeteran]

I think this post deserves a Book Ping!

[21stCenturion]

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[gusopol3]

For gosh sake, I was just reading about that this AM in Gordon Wood's The Radicalism of the American Revolution. "Disinterestedness" of this type was the "Republican" ideal, supposedly dating back to Cato in Rome. Did you know members of Parliament weren't paid until 1911( I assume Commons as well as Lords)?

[gitmo]

Thanks for the post. I’ve always been in awe of Franklin’s role in the Constitutional Convention, but had never run across this quote.

[little jeremiah]

I find this very interesting. Too bad it was not adopted.

[SunkenCiv]

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[fella]

...”there are two passions which have a powerful influence on the affairs of men. These are ambition and avarice; the love of power, and the love of money. Separately each of these has great force in prompting men to action; but when united in view of the same object, they have in many minds the most violent effects. Place before the eyes of such men, a post of honour that shall be at the same time a place of profit, and they will move heaven and earth to obtain it.” ....

...”And of what kind are the men that will strive for this profitable pre- eminence, through all the bustle of cabal, the heat of contention, the infinite mutual abuse of parties, tearing to pieces the best of characters? It will not be the wise and moderate; the lovers of peace and good order, the men fittest for the trust. It will be the bold and the violent, the men of strong passions and indefatigable activity in their selfish pursuits. These will thrust themselves into your Government and be your rulers. -And these too will be mistaken in the expected happiness of their situation: For their vanquished competitors of the same spirit, and from the same motives will perpetually be endeavouring to distress their administration, thwart their measures, and render them odious to the people.”...

... “tho’ we may set out in the beginning with moderate salaries, we shall find that such will not be of long continuance. Reasons will never be wanting for proposed augmentations. And there will always be a party for giving more to the rulers, that the rulers may be able in return to give more to them. -Hence as all history informs us, there has been in every State & Kingdom a constant kind of warfare between the governing & governed: the one striving to obtain more for its support, and the other to pay less
“...

Everything that Franklin warned us about has come to pass.

[fella]

I wish someone would make a good video of this speech. It should be shown to every civics class (Do they still teach civic?) through out our nation.

[fella]

In view of the currant Kavanaugh hearings, Dr. Franklin’s second paragraph is quit apt.