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Pit bulls attack 6-month-old boy
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Posted on 04/07/2010 8:13:56 PM PDT by Chet 99

Pit bulls attack 6-month-old boy

03:44 PM PDT on Wednesday, April 7, 2010

By SARAH BURGE

Police are investigating a dog attack Saturday at a Murrieta apartment in which a 6-month-old boy was bitten in the groin, authorities said.

Animal control officials said the child lost his testicles in the attack.

Sgt. Bob Landwehr said today that police were called to a report of a dog bite shortly before 10 a.m. Saturday at an apartment complex at 26301 Arboretum Way. The mother and her friend had left the baby strapped into a portable carrier and unattended in a room with a pit bull and a pit bull mix, he said. It was not clear how long the baby had been left alone.

One or both of the dogs attacked the baby, tearing off his diaper and biting his scrotum, Landwehr said. The mother and friend came to the baby's rescue when they heard him scream.

Landwehr said the baby was taken to Rancho Springs Medical Center in Murrieta and transferred to another hospital, but he did not have an update on the child's condition.

The dogs were seized by animal control, Landwehr said.

The owner of the dogs signed a release to allow them to be euthanized, said Willa Bagwell, director of Animal Friends of the Valleys, which provides animal control services for Murrieta.

Bagwell, who spoke with the mother, confirmed that the baby's testicles were bitten off in the attack.

Landwehr said no one has been arrested in connection with the incident, but the investigation is continuing.

—Sarah Burge sburge@PE.com


TOPICS: Pets/Animals
KEYWORDS: bull; georgia; hippo; maul; muslimdogs; pit; pitbull; rdo; trash
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To: allmendream

Well, I’ve never heard that they were bred for guarding...Not in the way Mastiffs or Dobermans were; that doesn’t mean that no individual dog was ever used for the purpose, but I don’t believe that the breed was developed to bring down men as, say, the Mastiffs were.

Many, many pitbulls are human aggressive, but I imagine that has more to do with clueless, incompetent owners allowing their dogs to stew in their own boredom and bad behaviors, rather than an ingrained trait.


181 posted on 04/09/2010 7:41:44 AM PDT by LongElegantLegs ( I have nothing better to do than sit around all night watching a lunatic not turn into a werewolf.)
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To: LongElegantLegs
So in other words, you think a responsible and competent owner has nothing to fear as far as their Pit Bull being human aggressive?

To me that is the delusional mindset that far too many Pit Bull owners have bought into.

To me it is analogous to saying “My kids have been raised around guns their entire life, so there is no need to observe safety precautions.”

Any dog can bite. Even if we assume every dog is equally likely to go into a biting attack, a rational person must weigh the disparate consequences of each.

When Gangbangers select dogs for their capacity to guard meth labs they are breeding them for guarding. Non human aggressive Pit Bulls are selected against among far too many backyard breeders who WANT a dog that scares people.

One of the reasons a “breed ban” is so short sighted. Almost any dog breed can be selectively bred to be larger and more aggressive - and the Pit Bull has been selectively bred to be human aggressive.

“Many many pit bulls are human aggressive” you said, and despite your caveat, that is reality no matter how competent the owner is.

182 posted on 04/09/2010 7:52:33 AM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: solosmoke

Hah,always more to a story but never mind we know it is the pit bulls fault!


183 posted on 04/09/2010 8:03:10 AM PDT by GSP.FAN (Some days, it's not even worth chewing through the restraints.)
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To: allmendream

“When Gangbangers select dogs for their capacity to guard meth labs they are breeding them for guarding. Non human aggressive Pit Bulls are selected against among far too many backyard breeders who WANT a dog that scares people”

That is why responsible owners choose their breeders wisely, or work with rescues that are bully-savvy. A badly-bred dog is a crap-shoot, so to speak. I would never recommend going through a backyard breeder for any dog, but especially for strong breeds.

But for the record, you don’t hear about the thug dogs attacking people. It seems to be a lot of strays or supposed “family dogs”, and in this case, it had nothing to do with the dogs and everything to do with the parent, who has been proven to be negligent in the past, having her two other children taken away from her (I won’t even get into the fact that she is only 22 with three kids).


184 posted on 04/09/2010 8:11:33 AM PDT by solosmoke
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To: allmendream
So in other words, you think a responsible and competent owner has nothing to fear as far as their Pit Bull being human aggressive?

To me that is the delusional mindset that far too many Pit Bull owners have bought into.

Well, I AM a responsible and competent owner, and because of that, *MY* dog is not human aggressive. If you couldn't say that about yourself, what business would you have owning a large dog?

To me it is analogous to saying “My kids have been raised around guns their entire life, so there is no need to observe safety precautions.”

I think you're assuming here that aggression is 1) inate and equal in all pit bulls and 2) a trait that connot be changed; not all pitbulls are 'game', anymore than they are all brindle or all thickly built; it depends on the dog. Also, any instinct can be redirected; that's why we have flyball, and extreme frisbee, and bomb sniffing dogs; it doesn't happen by itself, but it does happen.

Any dog can bite. Even if we assume every dog is equally likely to go into a biting attack, a rational person must weigh the disparate consequences of each.

Agreed...But a rational person doesn't have to reject a dog simply because of the potential damage he can cause.

“Many many pit bulls are human aggressive” you said, and despite your caveat, that is reality no matter how competent the owner is.

Many many chihuahuas are couch dwelling, ankle-biting sociopaths, but that doesn't mean that mine is; Above breeding, temperment, and intended purpose, a dog is a product of his environment.

Please forgive any spelling errors above, I'm only on my second cup of coffee. :)

185 posted on 04/09/2010 8:25:22 AM PDT by LongElegantLegs ( I have nothing better to do than sit around all night watching a lunatic not turn into a werewolf.)
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To: LongElegantLegs
I am not saying to reject the dog because it is dangerous, any more than I am saying to reject a gun because it is dangerous.

I am saying to be AWARE of the danger and not try to fool yourself that it is somehow only irresponsible owners who have aggressive dogs.

Denying the danger is the surest way of falling victim to it.

Gun safety isn't just for gun novices, it is for everyone.

Dog safety isn't just for irresponsible owners, it is for everyone.

186 posted on 04/09/2010 9:18:13 AM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: allmendream; LongElegantLegs
"If a Gun expert saw people leaving their guns laying around among children, and laughing that they were harmless and wouldn’t hurt anybody; would you conclude he was “anti-Gun” for pointing out the error?"

No, I would not. And that was not the point of my post.

ALL dogs have the potential to become loving pets, just as they also have the potential to use the mouth full of kitchen knives that nature gave them.

In essence I am agreeing with much of what you say. I believe that both in the hypothetical case you cite, as well as the subject of this thread, human negligence is far more the issue than the nature of either the gun or the dog.

My main disagreement with the anti-pit activists is their contention that the aggressive behavior is inherent, when, in fact, Pits have to be taught to fight.

Hippos, on the other hand, attack humans with the same "kill for the fun of it" attitude as do Polar Bears.
187 posted on 04/09/2010 9:18:38 AM PDT by shibumi (FReepMail me to get on the "Hippo Attack" ping list!)
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To: allmendream

By the way - on a completely different topic - I personally know someone who has never had a dream in her entire life.

Even after exhaustive sleep studies, the doctors found she was devoid of any sign of REM.

(But then I suppose your screen name does say allMENdream, doesn’t it?)


188 posted on 04/09/2010 9:21:41 AM PDT by shibumi (FReepMail me to get on the "Hippo Attack" ping list!)
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To: shibumi
Oh absolutely. No matter how human aggressive the dog is, it almost always takes human negligence to let it loose where it can enact that aggression.

Just as no matter how dangerous a gun is, it takes human negligence for that danger to manifest.

To me part of that “human negligence” that contributes to many of these attacks is the attitude that only incompetent owners will have human aggressive dogs, or that THEIR Pit Bull wouldn't ever hurt anybody.

Gun safety isn't just for novices, it is for everyone.

Dog safety isn't just for incompetent dog owners, it is for everyone.

189 posted on 04/09/2010 9:53:04 AM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: shibumi
LOL. Check my profile for the context of the quote. It refers more to the dreams that you dream when you are awake than those that are asleep. :)
190 posted on 04/09/2010 9:53:54 AM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: allmendream
"Dog safety isn't just for incompetent dog owners, it is for everyone."

I knew we'd find some common ground. What a lot of people don't realize when they get a dog, is that the behavior training and re-enforcement ~never stops~. You can't just excercise the dog one day, it must be every day.

You can't say, "Well he's learned his lesson, he'll never do that again." You have to live the routine and discipline continually.

And, if you have a weak, dependent or cruel personality, you should never have a dog of any breed.

(And definitely not a Hippo!)
191 posted on 04/09/2010 10:01:07 AM PDT by shibumi (FReepMail me to get on the "Hippo Attack" ping list!)
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To: GSP.FAN

>>>Last year he was posting 6 or 7 pitbull stories a day,during a fund raiser a group of us pledged for everyday Chet99 did not post a pitbull story we would donate,i pledged $5 a day some said more....
Chet99 was informed what was going on,he never stopped posting even though he new FR would get money.....<<<

So, if a group of FReepers pledged money to FR for every day another FReeper didn’t post any pro-life, anti-Obama, or any other type of story they don’t like, you would think it would be wrong to keep posting?

You are criticizing Chet 99 because you could not buy his silence? Strange.


192 posted on 04/09/2010 10:02:17 AM PDT by Above My Pay Grade
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To: shibumi
>>>Anyone notice the similarity in the attitude of the Anti-Pit crowd to the Anti-Gun zealots?<<<

Actually, I notice a great similarity between certain pit bull apologists, who compare guns and gun rights to pit bulls and nonexistent “pit bull rights” to the liberal, sodomite, homosexualists, who argue that not allowing homosexuals to marry each other or adopt children is the same as racial discrimination against black people.

193 posted on 04/09/2010 10:23:12 AM PDT by Above My Pay Grade
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To: shibumi
Anyone notice the similarity in the attitude of the Anti-Pit crowd to the Anti-Gun zealots?

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Nope, in fact nearly all the guys I shoot with and all the LEOs I know hate your cute litte puppies. We talk about the best spot for a kill shot.

194 posted on 04/09/2010 10:26:31 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: Above My Pay Grade

Yep you got it we are trying to censor freepers with money...


195 posted on 04/09/2010 10:35:42 AM PDT by GSP.FAN (Some days, it's not even worth chewing through the restraints.)
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To: solosmoke
And that is a circular argument that arrives at a steaming pile of crap. You have just totally discounted all instinct for all animals. Pretty good for first try. Let me make this peerfectlyclear. If you want a retriever buy a lab, if you want a stock dog buy a border collie, if you want a pointing dog for hunting then buy a Brittany spanial. If you want a dog that will bite, fight, and attack people then buy a pit bull.
Everyone I know that works with dogs professionally knows absolutely that you buy the dog that has been bred to do the job that you want done.
According to your line of thinking there are a hundred thousand duck hunters out there who need to trade their labs in for dachshunds to use in their hunting blinds.
You are full of it.
We start our border collie pups right after they are weaned and before they have had much human contact and they work ducks. The fact that they do what they have been bred to do has nothing to do with any owner. IT IS ALL INSTINCT!!!!!

This is from 2002, and there are more pits out there now and the total stats are higher.

Through January 20, 2002, the log of life-threatening and fatal attacks showed that pit bulls had committed 592 (45%) of the 1,301 total attacks qualifying for inclusion, including 280 (21%) of the attacks on children, 222 (60%) of the attacks on adults, 51 (34%) of the fatal attacks, and 321 (45%) of the maimings and disfigurements.

Ignorance must be fun unless your the parent of one of these children.

196 posted on 04/09/2010 11:16:04 AM PDT by oldenuff2no (Freedom and security are worth fighting for. Proud vet.)
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To: wtc911; shibumi
in fact nearly all the guys I shoot with and all the LEOs I know hate your cute litte puppies. We talk about the best spot for a kill shot.

Wow these guys know shibumi and want to kill her puppies?
shibumi you may want to contact law enforcement
and report wtc911 and his crew for threatening you.
Don't assume they are kidding!

197 posted on 04/09/2010 11:20:40 AM PDT by kanawa (CBC=CHNC)
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To: LongElegantLegs

LOL in fact that reply was one of my favorites....I can still get a chuckle out of it. In a score from one to 10 that one is definately a 9 1/2....have a great day...


198 posted on 04/09/2010 11:35:20 AM PDT by goat granny
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To: oldenuff2no

“We start our border collie pups right after they are weaned and before they have had much human contact and they work ducks. The fact that they do what they have been bred to do has nothing to do with any owner. IT IS ALL INSTINCT!!!!!”

So, it must be pretty hard getting work as a DOG TRAINER, huh?

“Through January 20, 2002, the log of life-threatening and fatal attacks showed that pit bulls had committed 592 (45%) of the 1,301 total attacks qualifying for inclusion, including 280 (21%) of the attacks on children, 222 (60%) of the attacks on adults, 51 (34%) of the fatal attacks, and 321 (45%) of the maimings and disfigurements.”

Can you please provide a link to this information?


199 posted on 04/09/2010 11:57:46 AM PDT by solosmoke
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To: kanawa

Canadian.


200 posted on 04/09/2010 12:09:06 PM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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