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To: razorbacks198
Don't conflate Conservatism, Objectivism, and Christianity.

The central tenet of Objectivism is the virtue of selfishness [properly understood]. As Ayn Rand said: "In order for civilization to survive, it is the morality of altruism that men need to reject."

It is possible for some kinds of Christians to be Conservative, and for some kinds of Conservatives to be Christians. It is possible for a type of Conservative to be an Objectivist, and vice versa. It is not possible under andy circmstances for an Objectivist to be a Christian, nor for a Christian to be an Objectivist.

John Galt makes this clear in his semi-climactic discursis toward the end of Atlas Shrugged and Rand made this clear in all of her writings.

Conversely, jesus makes it pretty clear that his morality is entirely a morality of altruism.

3 posted on 03/27/2010 11:19:48 PM PDT by FredZarguna ("I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.")
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To: FredZarguna

Without a foundation there can be no morality


8 posted on 03/27/2010 11:24:16 PM PDT by GeronL (All politicians are POS. Some are just piled higher and smell worse.)
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To: FredZarguna

very well spoken and absolutely true.


16 posted on 03/27/2010 11:43:02 PM PDT by GOP Poet (Obama is an OLYMPIC failure.)
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To: FredZarguna
Where Ayn's objectivism went wrong is not understanding the Christian imperative of the strong shall protect the weak. The left preverted that to "take from those that have and redistribute to those that have not." And theft is never a Christian virtue.

Is is possible to be a Christian Objectivist? Why yes, as long as your objectivism is bounded by a Christian moral framework, and not the other way around. I cannot think of a more basic objectivist statement as what Paul stated in 2 Thessalonians 3:10 "For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.

19 posted on 03/27/2010 11:46:08 PM PDT by D Rider
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To: FredZarguna
The nature of altruism really isn't selfless. Most so called selfless acts have a vested self-interest which causes them not to be altruistic. The kindest thing one can do for another also makes the beneficent individual feel good about himself.

I question your statement that, " It is not possible under andy circmstances for an Objectivist to be a Christian, nor for a Christian to be an Objectivist" is also not true. You imply that an Objectivist could never be charitable.

I suspect an Objectivist Christian would be the person that does not lie to himself about the true nature of the charitable acts he chooses to do even in Christ's name.

Your typos seem to reveal some anger regarding your feelings about Objectivism. You'll feel much better if you just let that hatred go and try to think more objectively.

34 posted on 03/28/2010 1:38:26 AM PDT by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: FredZarguna
Conversely, jesus makes it pretty clear that his morality is entirely a morality of altruism.

There is a difference between altruism and submitting to robbery.

In Atlas Shrugged, what is going on is robbery and enslavement operating under the mask of enforced "altruism". The main characters of Atlas Shrugged behave altruisticly to each other, loyally working and taking risks for each other. What they object to is the willfully-unproductive thinking that they have the right, by virtue of their existence, to DEMAND the fruits of the labor of the productive.

59 posted on 03/28/2010 5:15:43 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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