Posted on 03/15/2010 8:57:21 AM PDT by Borges
ABBA, Jimmy Cliff, Genesis, The Hollies and the Stooges will become the latest inductees in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame on Monday, officials said.
Other inductees this year include individual recipients of the Ahmet Ertegun Award -- record executive David Geffen and songwriters Jeff Barry, Otis Blackwell, Ellie Greenwich, Barry Mann, Mort Shuman, Jesse Stone and Cynthia Weil.
An induction ceremony is set for Monday night at the Waldorf Astoria Hotel in New York.
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Dude, you’ve got it bad for ABBA. You remind me of my father-in-law. He drives a screaming yellow Mustang GT convertible with license plates that read “ABBA FAN”. I won’t allow my kids tio be seen in that car.
Wait a minute - Jimmy is that you hiding behind that screen name?
No RUSH either.
I just think a lot of people of a certain generation have an atavistic reaction to ABBA because of the associations that the era and its fashions have for them. Beyond all that you have a bunch of great pop records.
Music is music. As Conservatives sometimes we have to let a few things slide. There are more than a few good rock n rollers that are on our side. It’s not all like “Footloose”.
I don’t see ABBA as rock. They’re influential on pop, and I suppose on some technical level good, but they don’t belong in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame any more than T.Rex (a pop band that I really love). It’s like putting Scotty Bowman (a great hockey coach) in the football HOF, it’s silly not because Bowman isn’t awesome because he certain is awesome, but he’s a hockey guy. All these pop acts Wenner worships should go be in a pop hall, and that’ll give the Rock hall room for all the rock acts that Wenner hates like Rush, Alice Cooper and King Crimson. I suppose I should be happy he’s finally acknowledging the existence of prog rock with Genesis, of course they’re probably in because of their late era mediocre pop not their early era brilliant prog rock.
Jimmy Cliff wrote The Harder They Come, but he’s been the real deal in Reggae for over 40 years. Definitely a worthy inductee, it’s just some of these others I don’t know about.
I thoughth The R&R HOF was a stupid idea when they announced it however many years ago it was. R&R doesn’t deserve a Hall of Fame, and anybody that thinks they belong in it doesn’t understand Rock & Roll.
Fair enough. Distinguishiong between pop and rock is virtually impossible especially these days. They used to think that Disco was the anti-Rock but what was Rock really except a merging of black and white pop styles. In the 1970s, there should have been surprise to see the Rolling Stones adapt the current black pop style (Disco) into their sound. It’s what they had always done.
‘no surprise’
You can never get it back, the time you’ve wasted on ABBA, that is.
OK, so it really should be the (liberal) Pop Music HOF. I’ll grant you that.
Pop music is a general term encompassing virtually all music that isn’t notated art music (Classical).
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OK. If that is the definition you are using, fine. No problem.
It just doesn’t work for me, as it puts dance music, country, bluegrass, zydeco, blues, jazz, folk, singer/songwriter, disco, rap, hip hop and rock all in one category.
IOW, so large as to be nearly a meaningless category.
They used to think that Disco was the anti-Rock, but who would have guessed that it would morph into Rave music, with the same driving beat, but much darker overtones, more like going full circle to the old fashioned Acid Tests of the 1960s. Which we thought werre so cool.
It’s not really that tough. Just listen for the guitar solos, pop almost never has them, rock always does. Pop is music for 13 year old girls primarily, subsequently it’s very non-threatening; rock is built to sell to 16 year old boys, and tends towards the threatening. Which is why rockers always bitch and moan when Wenner sticks a pop act in the rock hall, he’s “sullying” the “boys club” with “girl music”.
Disco is just the bastard step child of funk, which itself comes off the blues chain, which is where rock comes from. Mick Jager has always had a fondness for the flavor of the month, it’s what keeps the Stones “current” generation after generation and keeps them selling out football stadiums. But the Stones disco efforts were pretty bad.
That's a fair point. Like James Taylor (also an inductee), Simon is more a folk/pop musician. The HOF recognizes them as *performers*, not sidemen or influences.
Still, I suspect this nomination had more to do with the recent Broadway/Hollywood revival of ABBA's music than with anything else.
Has Toto ever been nominated, or are they in? Probably not.
Van Morrison certainly belongs. James Taylor is a folk singer. A very good one, one of those that elevated Folk Singing into the realm where it could be considered pop music, but it’s hard to say he was EVER a rocker. If he were a Rocker, he would have been Jackson Brownie.
It really ought to be called the Pop HOF, but I guess the word “Pop” had a bit of a negative spin to it in the 80s when this started. I would say that ALL of these things are genres of Pop, which of course means Popular, which means they had widespread commercial appeal.
Also that it was always contemporary music, not intended to stand the test of time. Only trouble is, some of it HAS stood the test of time, so that challenges the classification spectrum.
But I don’t think too badly - the thing you have to remember about Classical music is that only a few individuals from any generation have ever made significant contributions to it. Most of the contemporary “would be” classical music is just like most contemporary music - crap. I have no way of knowing, but I suspect that such has always been the case.
Thanks for telling me who Jimmy Cliff is. I have never heard of the guy, which tells me the R&R Hall of Fame is an absolute joke.
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LOL. I think it more speaks to your youth.
Although, Abba’s induction into the rock n roll hall of fame sort of supports your thesis.
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