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““You claim to be a mormonite.
“You claim to love Jesus Christ.”
“I don’t just claim to love Jesus. I do love Him. He is my Savior. He is my Judge; not you.

Yes, but you completely avoided my question Saundra.

Do you love the mormonite jesus, who is a created being, who became a man, who became a god - therefore was never able to save?

The Biblical Jesus - GOD from all eternity, neither created nor made? The one who had an eternal life to lay down that was without sin because He is God?

Which Jesus are you claiming to love? Which?

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ampu

Saundra,
You made large claims on this thread about “loving Jesus” and loving the mormon church.

Yet when I ask you which Jesus you claim to love (see post above), all I here is mormon crickets chirping in the background.

Is that because:

A. you are unsure which Jesus the mormon church teaches
B. you are unsure which you claim to love, or
C. it makes you very uncomfortable to see the difference between the Jesus Christ who is revealed in the Bible versus the man jesus the mormon church teaches about?
D. All of the above
E. None of the above (please specify)

[Ping to Inmans - this is a very good lesson about the usage of Christian words, including the name of Christ, by the mormon church and individual mormons. One we shouldn’t forget in our discussions.

I don’t claim to have any idea what SD believes, and can only ask her for clarification.

We don’t know what happens inside a person’s heart, we only know what they claim. But often, apparently, THEY do not know what they mean when they make claims here on FR and in the non-virtual world. If their claims feel good or sound good, that’s good enough for them.

The issue is, once you change the identity of the Savior to someone or something that could never save, and then claim you believe in that and love it, has it lost enough meaning to no longer save? Only faith in Christ’s free gift, the real Christ, results in salvation.

This is also a good lesson of why we need to not only show the truth, but to pray that God opens the eyes of those we witness to.]

Mormons believe that all men are gods in embryo, that they can become a god by obeying the doctrines outlined in the D&C’s, especially 132.

If this is true Saundra, how did the Jesus of mormonism become a god as outlined in D&C 132 then? There had to be some way for him to be married and sealed in order to attain the everlasting covenant? Where was the temple in which He took out His endowments? Where is the record of Him taking a bride?

If God is the Alpha and Omega, how can there be any before Him or after? How do the LdS reconcile this clear contradiction in scripture and doctrine?

Mormons do not worship the same Jesus of the Christian Bible. They worship the Jesus of the JST Bible and their other scriptures.