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Former trainer said mistake triggered orca attack
hosted ^ | Feb 26

Posted on 02/26/2010 5:36:59 AM PST by JoeProBono

ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) -- The former boss of a trainer drowned by a killer whale in Orlando says he believes the attack was triggered by the trainer's mistake.

Thad Lacinak (lah-CIN'-ick), a former head trainer at SeaWorld, told ABC's "Good Morning America" on Friday that he has seen video of the moments preceding the fatal attack Wednesday. He said he believes trainer Dawn Brancheau (bran-CHOH') made a mistake by letting her ponytail drift in the water in front of the killer whale.

Lacinak says the killer whale grabbed the ponytail in his mouth and pulled her in the water.

Lacinak says Brancheau, if she were alive, would acknowledge it was her mistake......

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TOPICS: Pets/Animals
KEYWORDS: dawnbrancheau; jpb; killerwhale; orca; seaworld; tilikum
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To: Tax-chick

Thank you! Common sense....


61 posted on 02/26/2010 6:21:50 AM PST by panthermom
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To: libh8er

Yes, exactly. I hate to say this, but my instinctive response is, “Nothing to see here, simple operation of natural processes.” Some people make the choice to do dangerous things, and sometimes it kills them. I’m sorry for her family, just as I was for Steve Irwin’s family.


62 posted on 02/26/2010 6:25:49 AM PST by Tax-chick (Cheeseburgers, parrots, volcanos, boats, rum, kittens, machine guns ...)
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To: Shimmer1
She’d worked there for so many years. If that was the mistake, I just feel that she would have known to put it up around her head or in a bun.

If, indeed, that was the cause of the attack--and people knew that this type of behavior could trigger an attack--it seems to me quite negligent that SeaWorld would allow its employees to wear ponytails while working with the animals.

As another poster noted, this will be a very costly incident for SeaWorld.

63 posted on 02/26/2010 6:31:04 AM PST by Publius Valerius
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To: arasina

A “wild” animal in captivity is not exactly a wild animal. Naturally a dog breed that has been in captivity for hundreds of generations is less wild than an Ocelot cub that was born wild but pure Ocelots do make good pets and they are only two and a half times larger than a house cat so they are not as dangerous as a Cheetah or other larger cat.

Remember that domestic animals were not always domestic animals. Remember too that wild animals can be dangerous even if they are vegitarians like Africa’s Cape Buffalo.

When I remarked to my South African game guide (photo expeditions) that the least interesting of the Big Five was Cape Buffalo because it appeared not much more than a
“domestic bull” he went ballistic. He said that they will circle back and blind side charge a pursuing party with regularity. “They are dangerous”. And of course domestic bulls can still be dangerous too.


64 posted on 02/26/2010 6:32:42 AM PST by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: Doogle

Different whale?


65 posted on 02/26/2010 6:34:18 AM PST by arasina (So there.)
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To: Travis McGee
One before Seaworld, one since his arrival there is my understanding. The first one was a case probably not unlike this one in British Colombia. To be honest, I don't know the details.

The second was some poor demented soul who decided he was gonna go for a swim with the nice orcas after closing time, after the beast had arrived at Seaworld.

I'm not saying this diminishes the creepiness of it, to the contrary I'm saying that having killed once should have been cause to just load him up and dump him back in the ocean - or send him to those Japanese dudes, either way works for me.

It's amazing the way that otherwise sane, rational adults can undertake such denial about the danger of messing with wild beasts. As you've pointed out, this is old news in a way. Here in my part of the world, northeastern Oklahoma, we had a psychotic dude running a "refuge" for lions and tigers and stuff complete with a billboard at one time that said "Come play with the tigers!"

Not long after that a lady (employee of said psychopath) had her arm torn off and eaten by a tiger inside its cage while she bled to death watching. The critter was being kept in a "regular" cage, while the industry standard calls for a cage with a double fence. Predictably, the psychotic dude tried to say it was the deceased lady's fault for making the mistake of sticking her hand thru the cage.

The difference that I see is this woman at Seaworld was no doubt a nice lady who had been fed, and accepted, some mistaken notions about how safe her job was. Unlike this stupid psychopath here in my hometown, there are gonna be some MBA types, highly educated dudes who can't plead stupidity, having some 'splainin to do in court.

66 posted on 02/26/2010 6:35:58 AM PST by OKSooner (NoMoBHO)
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To: bcsco

This is what can happen when you voluntarily give up your spot at the top of the food chain.


67 posted on 02/26/2010 6:38:08 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Doogle

What’s in the video?


68 posted on 02/26/2010 6:42:09 AM PST by OKSooner (NoMoBHO)
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To: OKSooner

trainer wearing a ponytail..performing


69 posted on 02/26/2010 6:45:37 AM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)
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To: Monterrosa-24
Killer whales shouldn't be used for shows like this, IMO. Use them to educate but not to entertain. There are just some animals that can't be trusted because they respond to instinct over training. My cat will get very weird and wild as a reaction to certain smells (bleach, ammonia). I know this turns him into a "wild" animal and therefore don't use them too close to his environment. He has a very strong sense of smell (built-in protection) plus he's bigger than many small dogs and still has his claws. Ouch.

Look at other times where this kind of thing has happened. The chimpanzee that mauled the woman's face, for instance. It was responding to something because it doesn't have the same makeup as humans. Then again, give a human male a visual cue (a naked woman with a pleasing shape) and they too will respond instinctively and act like...an animal. ;-)

70 posted on 02/26/2010 6:49:31 AM PST by arasina (So there.)
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To: Doogle
I shall not condemn the orca until Frantzie characterizes it as a POS.
71 posted on 02/26/2010 6:50:08 AM PST by verity (Obama Lies)
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To: bcsco

“...Why should a whale be killed because it’s following its instincts?...”

Because it can provide food and oil and bone.


72 posted on 02/26/2010 6:50:58 AM PST by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: Doogle

This particular killer whale was not born in captivity; rather, he was captured from his natural environment. That could account for the difference in response. Who knows.


73 posted on 02/26/2010 6:51:55 AM PST by arasina (So there.)
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To: Monterrosa-24

Believe me as someone who has a cattle ranch and has worked around cattle a great deal both bulls and cows can be extremely dangerous. Just because they’re domesticated doesn’t mean they’re not aggressive. There are just certain bulls (in particular) you don’t want to be in close quarters with. Certain bulls and females I would never worry about, they just have a very laid back personality. For cows the equation changes if they have a young calf by their side.

Aggressiveness is also a heritable trait, so I wonder about the offspring this whale has produced.


74 posted on 02/26/2010 6:53:16 AM PST by bereanway (Sarah get your gun)
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To: Doogle

I assume in the water.


75 posted on 02/26/2010 6:53:48 AM PST by OKSooner (NoMoBHO)
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To: RightOnline

For what? Doing what it was designed by God to do?

Destroyed? No, if anything, released in the wild.


76 posted on 02/26/2010 6:55:22 AM PST by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: RightOnline

FREE TILLY!


77 posted on 02/26/2010 6:56:51 AM PST by hope (don't listen to what they say, watch what they do)
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To: RightOnline

My stance too. And it’s not unbelievable.

You put a killer whale in a tank and then go “Oh My God!! That KILLER whale KILLED!!! We must KILL IT!”

Malarky.


78 posted on 02/26/2010 6:58:01 AM PST by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: JoeProBono

Yeah, it goes against their religion to admit these whales are killers. It always has to be the trainers fault. These people are morons.
Sure, you can train a wild beast to do tricks, but it is still a beast. Id does not love you. It is not being kind to you. It doesn’t show affection for you. It is just following your commands because you feed it after it performs it’s trick. It is and always will be a beast.
I’d like to see these morons try to train these whales without always feeding them. If they are so freaking gentile, just talk them into their little circus show. Try to reason with them and let them know it’s all for a good cause. Stop giving them a big fish every time they jump through a hoop and instead just reward them with a little verbal encouragement. See how well that goes for ya!


79 posted on 02/26/2010 7:01:32 AM PST by freemike (John Adams-Liberty must at all hazards be supported. We have a right to it, derived from our Maker)
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To: OKSooner

yep


80 posted on 02/26/2010 7:01:34 AM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)
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