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Hawaii gets persistent requests for Obama birth certificate
The Honolulu Advertiser.com ^ | February 19, 2010 | Dan Nakaso

Posted on 02/20/2010 4:16:53 PM PST by hennie pennie

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To: danamco
Isn’t it the case that when they DID released the COLB to the public that the privacy rule NO longer apply to that particular B.C.???

If it's anything like HIPAA, the individual releasing information does not change the hospital's legal duty to keep the information private. The only way the hospital can release the information is if the patient specifically authorizes the hospital to release it. Even then, the patient has to say who the recipient is, and the hospital is authorized to release it only to that recipient. It doesn't matter if the patient wrote a best seller disclosing every detail of a hospital stay - the hospital is still bound by HIPAA law.

I've only taken a quick look at the Hawaii DOH pages, but I didn't see anything there that said once the information was made public by the person, Hawaii DOH was absolved from the law. The only way to get this released from the DOH is within the law - a court order. The only way to get this from a hospital is for 0bama to sign a release, or someone to get a court order, subpoena or discovery request.

41 posted on 02/21/2010 11:21:50 AM PST by sometime lurker
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

Thank you - I wasn’t thinking of the researcher exemption for aspects of PHI, you’re absolutely right. I can see how a quick read could conflate the research end and the public end. For public release, HIPAA is amazingly strict. It’s changed a lot of common practices - what’s left on answering machines by doctor’s offices, sign in practices at many doctor’s offices, etc.

Hospitals, and even medical groups with electronic records now log who looks at each medical record and you better have a darned good reason to look at a particular record or you’re in trouble.


42 posted on 02/21/2010 11:29:13 AM PST by sometime lurker
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To: danamco

She’s totally ignoring the requests for non-certified abbreviated copies - which she is REQUIRED to issue to anybody who asks.

But then, she’s totally ignoring a lot of stuff.

The thing that’s so laughable about this whole thing is that by complaining about how much public interest there is, they are documenting that there is at least a “scintilla of public interest” - which is supposed to be the tipping point for disclosure of even documents which are specifically protected from disclosure by law (such as gun registration records). That’s according to current OIP Director Cathy Takase, in her OIP Opinion Letter 07-01, written in mid-2007.


43 posted on 02/21/2010 11:42:27 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: Lynne
You were saying ...

The law should not require the candidate to produce a birth certificate. Rather, it should require the candidate to sign an authorization allowing the state’s election commission to obtain it directly from the state where the candidate was born.

If that's the way you would like to see it produced, then get to work on your state legislature and get that requirement put into your state's law or else a candidate cannot be on the ballot.

I know that there have been four states that started this process of getting such a law on the books, but I haven't seen anyone mention that any of those four states had that specifically mentioned.

So, the best thing to do is to get it introduced into your state and get that law passed... :-)

44 posted on 02/21/2010 11:46:42 AM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: sometime lurker

There’s an OIP Opinion Letter that says that once information is made public or published there is no privacy interest in the information any more. The exception to disclosure that is always cited is the privacy exemption - but if the information is already published - say, in a newspaper or on a website - that information isn’t eligible for the privacy exemption.

Also, the legislative history of UIPA shows that the bill’s exemptions were not intended to close information that had previously been authorized for release. So anything that was authorized for disclosure by law before mid-1988 isn’t subject to UIPA’s exemptions. I’ve posted about it at my blog, documenting what I’m saying.

The birth certificate number and date of birth were required to be publicly-accessible as index data before 1988 so those items are not eligible for the privacy exemption that the DOH keeps using.

I don’t know what the requirements are for the hospital but I can almost guarantee you that Obama was not born in a hospital. Some of the reasons why are posted at http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2010/01/11/red-flags-in-hawaii-2/


45 posted on 02/21/2010 11:54:16 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion
I don’t know what the requirements are for the hospital but I can almost guarantee you that Obama was not born in a hospital.

I couldn't say that he was or wasn't, but I can tell you about HIPAA restrictions. A hospital can't say that someone was born in that hospital without a release from the patient. HIPAA does restrict old data - it doesn't matter if it was released before HIPAA, it can't be released now.

46 posted on 02/21/2010 1:21:42 PM PST by sometime lurker
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
New employees will not be required to provide their Social Security Number except where the employer participates in the E-Verify program.

How can that be?

Social Security numbers was created for Tax purposes only??

Without numbers how do employers report income to IRS???

47 posted on 02/21/2010 1:36:29 PM PST by danamco
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To: MissTickly; butterdezillion
Reflects the truth, what truth?

How was the COLB being created on the web sites??

Do we know WHO created it and WHO requested it???

I am still in limbo because I've seen it posted that Hawaii DOH has NOT endorsed it!!!

48 posted on 02/21/2010 1:43:19 PM PST by danamco
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To: trumandogz

Here is the question regarding your post: When your usurper got all the 365 votes plus the approval of Dick Cheney and Roberts, did YOU popped the Champagne bottles and danced in the street like the Palestinians do when America is hit???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrM0dAFsZ8k&feature=player_embedded


49 posted on 02/21/2010 1:56:46 PM PST by danamco
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To: danamco
RE: "New employees will not be required to provide their Social Security Number except where the employer participates in the E-Verify program."

I should have been more specific -- the word should have been prospective though I believe that is how the Internet source read.

I believe that non-residents can work here legally using an IRS ID number for tax purposes.

50 posted on 02/21/2010 1:59:59 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

NumbersUSA is doing a great job against illegal aliens!!!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2456597/posts


52 posted on 02/22/2010 6:04:19 AM PST by danamco
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To: Lynne
There has been a lot of discussion here about needing laws to require the candidates to produce a birth certificate to see if they are quailifed. No such law is needed. Two candidates have been kept off the ballot in California by past secretaries of state because their BC showed they were too young to be president. This illustrates that no law is needed. The concept is that the secretary of state have to ceritify candidates for ommission to the ballot and to keep unqualifierd candidates off the ballot.

The current secretary of state in Cal knew there were allegations against OB's qualifications, yet she simply abdicated her responsibility to the Democrat National Committee's form that was submitted saying he was qualified.

McCain submitted his BC to congress, but as far as we know, no court, secretary of state, congress or electoral college has seen his BC. But to say thet there needs to be a law is to say that the secretaries of state have no power and that their office is purely ministerial.

Lastly, I do not object to any legislation to tighten up on this requirement. I just disagree with the interpretation of the problem.

53 posted on 02/22/2010 11:43:38 AM PST by votemout
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To: danamco

No, as recall election night, when I saw that McCain and Palin been projected to lose Pennsylvania, I posted something to the effect of “This one is over, MCain has lost,” and then I shut down my computer and had dinner without that bottle of Champagne.


54 posted on 02/22/2010 12:12:53 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: trumandogz

That really surprises me, but good!!!


55 posted on 02/22/2010 4:58:31 PM PST by danamco
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