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To: GeronL
I'll buy that. But my question is always: What is Step 1 and What is Step 2?

If Conservatives and Libertarians got together and ended welfare, ended free schools, and ended free healthcare, then I would absolutely look at the issue of open borders and I would consider relaxing my view on that (full disclosure: I ain't making any promises).

In my experience, Libertarians want to open the borders first. Then, as it becomes politically feasible, they will look into that whole welfare-education-healthcare mess.

I think the order is important, and in my opinion, Libertarians always get it bassackwards.

26 posted on 02/16/2010 7:48:12 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (I was born in America, but now I live in Declinistan.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

There are those Libertarians that think all of their policies enacted at once is the solution. Just like Harry Reid and Pelosi.

And then there are the realists.

The realists would tend to say that the entire nation should have the time to adjust to Livin’ state-free before allowing immigrants to come here for temporary work. There would be no government services to provide them, because there are no government services aside from defense and basic administrative lawmaking.

It’s common sense. Poltical parties don’t often espose it. That’s why I really hope the Tea Party doesn’t end up becoming one.


31 posted on 02/16/2010 7:55:20 PM PST by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: ClearCase_guy

They certainly do.


33 posted on 02/16/2010 7:55:46 PM PST by GeronL (Dignity is earned from yourself. Respect is earned from others.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
"In my experience, Libertarians want to open the borders first."

Not the libertarians that I hang out with. I and them are pro-fence. Just because you are a member of a party does not mean that you agree with all members of that party.

Do you agree with John McCain, Mitt Romney, and Lindsey Grahm because they are republicans? Did you even agree with Reagan 100% of the time?

42 posted on 02/16/2010 8:05:10 PM PST by digital-olive
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