Posted on 02/10/2010 2:50:02 PM PST by SeekAndFind
In debates over the existence of God and man, the existence of vampires rarely enters the discussion. Whether Count Dracula and his kin exist hardly seems to be a relevant concern. But a fascinating paper by a pair of physicists makes me wonder if the existenceor rather the non-existenceof vampires can shed light on one of the popular arguments for the existence for Godthe argument from fine-tuning.
In Ghosts, Vampires and Zombies: Cinema Fiction vs Physics Reality, Costas J. Efthimiou and Sohang Gandhi use math and physics to illuminate inconsistencies associated with the popular myths about ghosts, zombies, and vampires. The fact of the matter is, they note, if vampires truly feed with even a tiny fraction of the frequency that they are depicted to in the movies and folklore, then the human race would have been wiped out quite quickly after the first vampire appeared.
Vampires feed on human blood, which causes the victim to suffer not only from blood loss but also from the indignity of turning into a vampire themselves. Each feeding therefore decreases the human population by one and increases the vampire population by one. If only one vampire where to exist on earth it wouldnt be long before the entire human population was decimated.
To illustrate this point, the authors of the paper show what would happen if the first vampire made his appearance in the year 1600. They note that the global population of humans at the start of that year is estimated to be 536,870,911. Using the conservative estimate that a vampire would only need to feed once a month, they are able to calculate the effect on the human race.
On February 1st, 1600 1 human will have died and a new vampire born. This gives 2 vampires and (536, 870, 911−1) humans. The next month there are two vampires feeding time a single vampire feds on a single human in the first month, this would create two vampiresand decrease the human population by one and thus two humans die and two new vampires are born. This gives 4 vampires and (536, 870, 911−3) humans. Now on April 1st, 1600 there are 4 vampires feeding and thus we have 4 human deaths and 4 new vampires being born. This gives us 8 vampires and (536, 870, 911 − 7) humans.
The result is a geometric progression with ratio 2. Since all but one of these vampires was once human, the human population is its original population minus the number of vampires (excluding the original one). So after n months have passed there are 536, 870, 911 − 2n + 1 humans. As the authors note, the vampire population increases geometrically and the human population decreases geometrically.
This chart shows the vampire and human population at the beginning of each month during a 29-month period.
The authors determine that if the first vampire appeared on January 1st of 1600 AD, humanity would have been wiped out by June of 1602, two and half years later:
We conclude that vampires cannot exist, since their existence contradicts the existence of human beings. Incidentally, the logical proof that we just presented is of a type known as reductio ad absurdum, that is, reduction to the absurd. Another philosophical principal related to our argument is the truism given the elaborate title, the anthropic principle. This states that if something is necessary for human existence, then it must be true since we do exist. In the present case, the nonexistence of vampires is necessary for human existence.
It is this last principle that is particularly intriguing and makes me wonder if it can be applied to the anthropic principle. As Wikipedia explains, In physics and cosmology, the anthropic principle states that humans should take into account the constraints that human existence imposes on the kind of theoretical universe that can support human life. The anthropic principle is often stated in a positive way, assuming that certain conditions must be met before human life can exist. At least two dozen demandingly exact physical constants must be in place for carbon-based life to exist on earth, the slightest variation in any of these conditionseven to a minuscule degreewould have rendered the universe unfit for the existence of any kind of life, much less for humans.
But I believe Efthimiou and Gandhis paper provides an example of how the anthropic principle can be stated in a negative way. Vampires are a prime example of a class of objects (lets call them V-class objects) whose non-existence is necessary for the existence of humans. In other words, if humans exist, then it is necessary that V-class objects do not exist since they would have wiped us out long ago. Lets designate this the V-class principle.
At first glance this seems so obvious as to be unworthy of notice. Since we humans do, in fact, continue to exist, it shouldnt be surprising that vampires (and other V-class objects) do not exist. But this raises the question of why humans exist and V-class objects do not. Their existence is, after all, as probable (or improbable) as the existence of humans. The obvious answer, of course, is that homo sapiens merely got lucking in the evolutionary process and managed to slip past the obstacles that would lead to extinction.
This is a plausible answer until we consider that to get around the anthropic principle we need to posit something similar to the mulitverse hypothesis. Returning once again to Wikipedia, we find that this theory
concept of other universes has been proposed to explain why our universe seems to be fine-tuned for conscious life as we experience it. If there were a large number (possibly infinite) of different physical laws (or fundamental constants) in as many universes, some of these would have laws that were suitable for stars, planets and life to exist. The anthropic principle could then be applied to conclude that we would only consciously exist in those universes that were finely tuned for our conscious existence. Thus, while the probability might be extremely small that there is life in most of the universes, this scarcity of life-supporting universes does not imply intelligent design as the only explanation of our existence.
Although it seems to be a complex speculation designed to get around the obvious implications of the anthropic principle, this too is possible. But consider what happens when we combine the mulitverse theory, the anthropic principle, and the V-class principle.
The non-existence of any V-class objects is as statistically improbable as the aligning of dozens of independent physical constants that give rise to life. Any universe created by the multiverse generator would need to include both (a) the positive conditions necessary for life (i.e., the fine-tuned laws of nature) and (b) the negative conditions necessary for human existence (i.e., the absence of V-class objects).
The anthropic principle could therefore be restated as claiming that the existence of human life requires both (a) the alignment of several cosmological, chemical, and physical constants and (b) the non-existence of all V-class objects. The probability that each of these stochastically independent events could align precisely as they havewithout any interventionis roughly zero. The evidence therefore points to fine-tuning of these conditions.
If it is the case that we have reduced the chance hypothesis to a virtual impossibility, then we are left with the obvious conclusion that the fine-tuning is not apparent, but actual. The fine-tuning implies the existence of a tuner; hence we can conclude that the scientific evidence supports the conclusion that God exists. The fact that vampires dont exist doesnt prove that God does, of course, but it does seem to shore up the anthropic principle, making the fine-tuning inference more reasonable and probable than its alternative.
Potential Rebuttals: One argument against this conclusion is that there are vampire killers (e.g., Buffy the Vampire Slayer) who are able to keep the vampire race in check. Clive Thompson runs the numbers and concludes that the precise number of vampires that could exist in a Buffy universe is no more than 512. So the unlikely event that V-class objects like vampires could be held at a steady number would undercut my argument.
A much weaker claim is that vampires dont necessarily have to turn their victims into vampires sine they can kill them before draining their blood. That method, however, would still decimate the human populationit would just take a few years longer.
The other line of attack would be on my claim that the existence of V-class objects is as likely as their non-existence. This is a Bayesian assumption, but I think its reasonable. If it could be shown that this is not definitely the case, however, it would likely prove to be an effective defeater to my argument.
“Vampires feed on human blood, which causes the victim to suffer not only from blood loss but also from the indignity of turning into a vampire themselves. Each feeding therefore decreases the human population by one and increases the vampire population by one.”
I’m no fan of horror, but even I know that’s not how it works. Just because a vampire feeds on you does not mean you die, much less that you become a vampire yourself. There are variations on the myth, of course, but every version I’m aware of distinguishes between victims fed upon, victims killed by the feeding, and finally victims that are turned into vampires after feeding. Usually the humans need to drink the vampire’s blood, or something, before they die in order to convert. Otherwise they just die.
Even if this is not true of all vampire stories, it is true of most of them, which makes this study irrelevant, wasteful, and frankly stupid.
Vampires feed on human blood, which causes the victim to suffer not only from blood loss but also from the indignity of turning into a vampire themselves.”
Oh, and I didn’t draw it out explicitly, but it’s not merely that you suffer blood loss. You must die before turning into a vampire. For they are undead. If you don’t die, you are still a human.
Yes, but the Vampire rule book is different in every Vampire tale told.
Most versions have vampires sucking their victims dry and only rarely biting their victim to create a new vampire intentionally or occasionally by accident.
Some versions have Vampires getting so bored after a century or two they commit suicide by taking a walk in the sun, as most versions have Vampires unable to take part in human events because they can’t draw attention to themselves and they can’t work days.
Then again, in some tales, Vampires can go abroad by day but they have no superpowers at such times.
In some Vampire tales they have to feed nightly on humans or die. Some have them able to get by on animal blood and some have them only feeding rarely.
But most most Vampire tales have them being discreet and only feeding every so often and only creating new Vampires on rare occasions. Some have them able to reproduce sexually like normal humans.
My studies from watching movies conclude that vampire saliva causes the infection for example if they bite the girl and the hero bursts into the room and scares the Vampire off. But if they drink all your blood you die before the infection spreads, for example the vampire chronicles. So it is up to the Vampires how many they want to create and they create just enough to not cause a major problem.
On every level, complete nonsense.
“A much weaker claim is that vampires dont necessarily have to turn their victims into vampires sine they can kill them before draining their blood. That method, however, would still decimate the human populationit would just take a few years longer.”
Here, at last, the article sorta addresses my problem. Badly. Vampires do not kill their prey before draining their blood, because they do not drink the blood of the dead. Moreover, saying “vampires dont necessarily have to turn their victims into vampires sine they can kill them before draining their blood” implies that humans turn into vampires by having their blood drained, which is false.
The central problem with this study is that it ignores the fact that feeding and converting are two seperate concerns for the vampire. Conversion is a conscious act, usually done out of loneliness, unconnected to the drive to feed. The presence of vampires, therefore, would in no way endanger the human species as a whole, unless vampire culture deliberately made that a goal. But I don’t see why they would, since they have no drive to do so. They’re solitary types.
“My studies from watching movies conclude that vampire saliva causes the infection for example if they bite the girl and the hero bursts into the room and scares the Vampire off.”
I, personally, rarely see such movies. If there is something passed between the vampire and his female victims, it’s usually akin to sexual desire. As if they’ve been “infected” by eros. What you describe is, I’m willing to believe, part of the myth of this or that story. “I Am Legend,” for instance, presents vampirism as a plague which converts people into vampires if they die from the disease. most of humanity converts, while some of them survive and one lucky or unlucky fellow is immune.
However, the much more popular version, and the one in most every movie I’ve ever seen, has the vampire consciously choosing, via whatever mechanism, to convert the victim. Most of the victims never turn at all, to be sure.
“most every movie Ive ever seen, has the vampire consciously choosing, via whatever mechanism, to convert the victim”
By which I mean to say they have the victim drink vampire blood before they die, or whatever.
1. Amateurs
2. Real math means calculus
Vampire Population Ecology (in a small Californian community)
And yes - there is a stable solution.
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