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Why rush the F-35 into production?
Nieman Watchdog ^ | January 23, 2010 | George C. Wilson

Posted on 02/03/2010 11:40:24 PM PST by RC one

An internal Navy briefing obtained by CongressDaily suggests, without saying it right out, that the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter ballyhooed by Defense Secretary Gates will cost so much to buy and fly that the service might have to find a cheaper plane to fill up its carrier decks.

For those of us who watched the reputation of Defense Secretary Robert McNamara as a manager nose dive in the 1960s when he could not produce a carrier plane the Navy would accept, these newly expressed Navy doubts about the F-35 have a familiar ring that challenges Gates.

The F-35, the Pentagon’s biggest aircraft program, is supposed to be flown by the same three services. But F-35 critics contend its cost — pegged at $122 million a plane in the Pentagon’s latest Selected Acquisition Report — is out of control and its worth as a fighter is questionable.

Gates so far has been dismissive of such warnings, declaring last summer at the Lockheed plant in Fort Worth where the F-35 is being built that the United States “cannot afford not to have this airplane.” But neither he nor anyone else knows for sure what the F-35 will cost or be able to do in the sky because no complete prototypes have been fully tested.

Winslow Wheeler, former cost analyst at GAO and the Senate Budget Committee and now director of the Straus Military Reform Project at the Center for Defense Information, is among those who believe the fly-before-buy approach to procurement is the only way the Pentagon will ever be able to give the taxpayer a deserved bang for his buck. Wheeler would stop production of the F-35 right now and fully test prototypes of the plane to see what they can actually do.

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TOPICS: Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: f35; jsf; lightning2; navair
I agree. More importantly than assessing the F35 by itself, I want to see a comparison of the F35 against the Russian Suhkoi T50 before we commit to owning a plane that doesn't guarantee air dominance.


1 posted on 02/03/2010 11:40:25 PM PST by RC one
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To: RC one

Russian T50 PAK-FA Stealth

F-35 Lightning 2

2 posted on 02/03/2010 11:45:52 PM PST by RC one (WHAT!!!!)
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To: RC one

As long as 0bama is in office we may be assured that the wrong decision will be made.


3 posted on 02/03/2010 11:54:55 PM PST by YHAOS
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To: RC one

The F-35 was never meant for the air dominance role. That’s why the US has the F-22 and the Euros built the Eurofighter.


4 posted on 02/04/2010 12:02:03 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

What F-22 do you speak of? The one we no longer make? Russia plans to build and export this thing. We aren’t even building anymore F-22s let alone exporting them. If the T-50 beats the F-35, there’s gonna be problems, especially if it does it for significantly less money than an F35 which seems reasonable to assume at this point. We bet the farm on the F-35.


5 posted on 02/04/2010 12:08:17 AM PST by RC one (WHAT!!!!)
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To: RC one

Fill in the blanks.. F-22 __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ F-35 ???


6 posted on 02/04/2010 12:29:28 AM PST by historyrepeatz
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To: RC one

for the same $$$ as one F35 bomber,

the AF could buy 200X as many B52Hs,
with a payload of 1564875628X that
of one F35


7 posted on 02/04/2010 12:30:43 AM PST by element92
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I agree with what you said. I think just the dihedryl alone on those tails prevents it from being as good as it can be.


8 posted on 02/04/2010 12:50:04 AM PST by 999replies (Thune/Rubio 2012)
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To: RC one
"...Why rush the F-35 into production...?"

The F4U—the most successful fighter-aircraft of WWII—was introduced a bit late in the war for maximum effect.

Pen-to-paper on that design began in the mid-1930s!

9 posted on 02/04/2010 1:37:20 AM PST by Does so (ObamaCare...I pay for medical-marijuana claims by millions of Americans?)
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To: magslinger

ping


10 posted on 02/04/2010 9:43:25 AM PST by Vroomfondel
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To: RC one

>I agree. More importantly than assessing the F35 by itself, I want to see a comparison of the F35 against the Russian Suhkoi T50 before we commit to owning a plane that doesn’t guarantee air dominance.

At least, F-35 has weak manoeuvrability and perfomance (eg. speed) compared to T-50.
T-50 is also equipped with more powerful radars(X-band + L-band) and additional IRST capability. T-50 has twice as bigger payload compared to F-35 and air-air missiles with greater kill range.
So F-35 is far from being good choice against T-50.


11 posted on 02/04/2010 12:18:37 PM PST by Primorsky
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To: Vroomfondel; SC Swamp Fox; Fred Hayek; NY Attitude; P3_Acoustic; Bean Counter; investigateworld; ...
SONOBUOY PING!

Click on pic for past Navair pings.

Post or FReepmail me if you wish to be enlisted in or discharged from the Navair Pinglist.
The only requirement for inclusion in the Navair Pinglist is an interest in Naval Aviation.
This is a medium to low volume pinglist.

12 posted on 02/04/2010 12:38:57 PM PST by magslinger (Cry MALAISE! and let slip the dogs of incompetence.)
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To: Primorsky

gee, maybe we shouldn’t have killed the raptor after all. thanks for that insight btw.


13 posted on 02/04/2010 2:08:27 PM PST by RC one (WHAT!!!!)
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To: RC one; sonofstrangelove
A real photo of the actual T-50 PakFa prototype:


14 posted on 02/05/2010 3:52:05 AM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: RC one
First off, realize that comparisons against the T-50 are meaningless. The T-50 is essentially a testbed, and any productions aircraft resulting from it wont see the light of day for another 15 years. Even Sukhoi admits it'll take up to 7 years just to get proper engines into it (the T-50 currentlly uses engines from the Su-27), and it has no fire control system. The Russians haven't even produced an AESA radar system yet, let alone one that could compete with even the cheapest versions on the F-16. If the T-50 results in a produciton plane... and that's a big if.... by the time it starts rolling off the line, Boeing's FA-XX will be at the prototype stage, if given the go-ahead by the Navy, which, with the F-35's never ending problems, is likely. The solution is to buy new Super Hornets to keep fleet numbers up, and then throw Naval Aviation's weight behind FA-XX, which is being designed from the ground up for carrier use, and not adapted by some joint-use committee as is the case with the F-35.


15 posted on 02/05/2010 8:42:49 AM PST by DesScorp
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