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Wal-Mart, Big Box Retailing, And It’s Inevitable Demise
Self | 1-17-2010 | Captain Peter Blood

Posted on 01/17/2010 10:58:08 AM PST by Captain Peter Blood

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To: driftdiver

Fair enough. If there are enough people like you, then those items will continue to be produced.

I had a long discussion a while back with someone who couldn’t understand why a WM toaster, price $15, didn’t last as long as the one he’d bought in the 50s, which adjusted for inflation would have been a couple hundred bucks.

There is an extremely small market for high quality small appliances, and this by itself increases the cost per unit. You may want the higher quality and be willing to pay more to get it, but many items just won’t be available due to market forces.


101 posted on 01/17/2010 12:31:53 PM PST by Sherman Logan (Never confuse schooling with education.)
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To: namvolunteer
Right. Even if the author's point is correct about the decline of "big box" retail, his statement that "Mom & Pop" stores making a comeback makes no sense. If anything, the small retailers have experienced an even more serious decline that their large counterparts in the last couple of years.

I think it would be safer to say that retail sales in general are bound to get flushed down the toilet when the unemployment rate is north of 10%.

102 posted on 01/17/2010 12:32:14 PM PST by Alberta's Child (God is great, beer is good . . . and people are crazy.)
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To: ThePatriotsFlag
Well you know what your talking about and that is another aspect I didn't cover.
At some point it no longer works.
I was focusing on what may happen in the future not in the immediate.
We are in an economic crisis the likes of which none of us have ever seen. Changes in how we do any number of things will force a different way.
So we will see what happens.
103 posted on 01/17/2010 12:33:52 PM PST by Captain Peter Blood
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To: MrEdd

Zayres and Jefferson Ward also are now gone.


104 posted on 01/17/2010 12:35:03 PM PST by packrat35 (Democrat Healthcare is a 9-11 Attack on the Constitution)
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To: MrEdd

I forgot Service Merchandise. Another one bit the dust.


105 posted on 01/17/2010 12:35:39 PM PST by packrat35 (Democrat Healthcare is a 9-11 Attack on the Constitution)
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To: namvolunteer
Sort of the reverse Wal-Mart effect, the local Mom and Pop will make a comeback as people will want better service and will be willing to pay more for a quality product.

In a severe recession people will pay more for service and a quality product? Sure they will.

By reversing that trend it could possibly promote resurgence in a domestic manufacturing base that we need to have along with a more balanced economy and then we can wean ourselves off the cheap Chinese goods we have been consuming like a ravenous beast for the last 15 to 20 years.

There will be NO resurgence in manufacturing in America until we kill OSHA, the EPA, and half a dozen other regulatory agencies that have driven manufacturing out of America (kill in a figurative way of speaking, you leftist FR watcher morons). That, or as Rush says, export liberalism so that the Chinese, Mexicans, Vietnamese, Thais etc. all are unable to manufacture goods any more cheaply than we can because they're regulated to death.

Our economy for the last 20 years had evolved into a consumer driven one where the consumer was 70% of GDP. That was never a sustainable long term viable economic model. We have to get back where we once were, that of a balanced economy to have any hope of once again being the prosperous Capitalistic country we were 50 years ago.

I've never understood what journalists mean by the above statements. A functional economy gives people what they want. What we need to become the prosperous capitalistic country we were 50 years ago is to do as I said above - reduce regulations and taxes.

He doesn’t provide enough explanation for why we’ll go back to Mom and Pops if Wal-Mart closes some stores.

Specifically to namvolunteer - you are exactly right. He had a good article going until he veered off into some areas he doesn't even begin to understand, the parts that I cut and pasted above.

106 posted on 01/17/2010 12:39:55 PM PST by Hardastarboard (I am a light-skinned American with no Negro dialect, unless I want to have one.)
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To: driftdiver; nmh
” Manufacturing in general is ALL MOVING OFF SHORE.”

nonsense, you do not know what you are talking about.

One of you doesn't, but YOU are confused as to which of you it is.

I will suggest to your my fellow Freepers that you likely have a mild case of Keynesianism. That could cause the delusion (Suffered by you driftdiver) that a bureaucracy could push environmental regulations to the point where biodegradable products like Glycol required for hydraulic die-casting and injection molding machinery costs more to dispose of than the labor costs without driving production overseas.

I will proscribe obtaining a more diversified work experience, and suggest that you wear earplugs in the short term because you are going to draw a lot of ridicule on yourself of exactly the same nature as the ridicule global warming believers are now experiencing. Certainly you are going to experience it here.

107 posted on 01/17/2010 12:40:22 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: luvEastTenn

One of the main reasons, I hate going to Wal-Mart is the checkout. I have never seen more than 3 registers open in any I went to in the past 5 years.

The only way I go there myself, is if I know I will save $50 or it is the only store open that has what I need. Something is seriously wrong when it takes longer to check out than shop.


108 posted on 01/17/2010 12:40:57 PM PST by packrat35 (Democrat Healthcare is a 9-11 Attack on the Constitution)
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To: Sherman Logan

“There is an extremely small market for high quality small appliances, and this by itself increases the cost per unit”

I think you underestimate the market size for small appliances. More and more people are learning that price is not everything.


109 posted on 01/17/2010 12:41:28 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt

I don’t want them to go out of business. I like competition.


110 posted on 01/17/2010 12:41:51 PM PST by packrat35 (Democrat Healthcare is a 9-11 Attack on the Constitution)
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To: Captain Peter Blood

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111 posted on 01/17/2010 12:43:07 PM PST by Popman (Election 2010: Congress: your pink slips are coming ............... :)
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To: Captain Peter Blood
Walmart may have difficulties in the future, but nothing specific is cited here. Nor are the are specific ideas of how smaller stores can succeed against Walmart.

I'm guessing this is the same guy I see advertized in spammy ads at some business-related web sites.

Anyhow, the way that smaller stores can compete is to niche-ify, and offer more selection. Walmart has recently scaled back product selection. That is now their weak point, but thus far, not many are exploiting it, in part because of the idiotic trend of single-supplier sourcing for product categories.

112 posted on 01/17/2010 12:44:10 PM PST by B Knotts (Calvin Coolidge Republican)
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To: Captain Peter Blood
Because people just love spending all day going from store to store paying high prices rather then making a hour trip to one store and paying low prices.

Not quite sure what universe this person lives in but it is a strange place.

113 posted on 01/17/2010 12:45:19 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (I miss the competent fiscal policy and flag waving patriotism of the Carter Administration)
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To: Sherman Logan
I think Wal-Mart is simply going to turn from a "growth" company into an "income" company as they reach the natural limits of their geographical expansion.

Then again, they may still see a lot of growth through changes in its product and service offerings.

I think a company like Wal-Mart could make a ton of money by cutting a deal with a second-rate auto manufacturer like Government Motors and expanding their existing stores to include certified auto repairs for second-rate GM cars.

114 posted on 01/17/2010 12:46:34 PM PST by Alberta's Child (God is great, beer is good . . . and people are crazy.)
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To: CodeToad
Is it fair China can produce a product cheaper because they do not have to obey our laws, such as labor laws or environmental laws or tax laws?

Of course it's fair. If the Sheeple support labor, environmental, and tax laws that are incompatible with efficient business, then they have no right to blame China for out-competing them. They can just consume the cheap Chinese goods. They must either accept the economic loss or make up for it by success in other economic areas.

115 posted on 01/17/2010 12:47:00 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: nmh

I you READ my post I did blame myself.

That doesn’t change the fact that they still sell crap!


116 posted on 01/17/2010 12:48:27 PM PST by JimVT (Oh, the days of the Kerry dancing, Oh, the ring of the piper's tune)
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To: packrat35
Something is seriously wrong when it takes longer to check out than shop.

Excellent observation. This tells me that Wal-Mart is marketing primarily to people who don't value their own time very much.

117 posted on 01/17/2010 12:50:55 PM PST by Alberta's Child (God is great, beer is good . . . and people are crazy.)
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To: driftdiver

They do not, but they survived thr great depression.

They were succesful until someone else came along with similar selection at better prices. Certainly they were both still big in the sixties.

Which will happen to walmart, Already in North Texas they have cut back on stock and thir grocery items are no longer much cheaper than roger or Albertsons. Men’s casual clothing here has been cheaper at places like Academy sports for some time.


118 posted on 01/17/2010 12:53:42 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: MrEdd

What the HELL are you talking about? You piece of communist garbage to start throwing insults that like just because I think walmart sells a lot of crap.

It has nothing to do with govt control. Nothing to do with Kenya. It has everything to do with a consumer not swalling the marketing hype and thinking for themselves.


119 posted on 01/17/2010 12:55:01 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Captain Peter Blood

The title couldn’t be more wrong even if written by a horde of Hollywood writers.

True, we will see change, and remember...the only thing that never changes is change itself...and death. Will they re-focus? Sure. Might they downsize to accommodate the, then, current economy? Of course. But, demise?

Wal Mart has something no other single entity on the planet has. They have Global “boots on the ground”. This puts them in a unique position of being on the highest “perch” in the business world. They see everything, as it happens, not on a spreadsheet, or in a 10Q, or a Gov’t report. The ramifications of this advantage are too many to enumerate.

Now, had you said Target or K-Mart-Sears, you may have been closer to reality.


120 posted on 01/17/2010 12:55:22 PM PST by papasmurf (sudo apt-get install U-S-Constitution)
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