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Where are all of the atheist organizations in Haiti? (Vanity)

Posted on 01/17/2010 6:29:07 AM PST by Red in Blue PA

We always hear from the MSM and from atheist groups, especially at Christmas, how atheist groups are on par with Christian groups. Watching the Haiti devastation and the people helping down there in the chaos and destruction, I have not yet seen even one single atheist organization.

Please post if you see one.


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To: BCrago66; Red in Blue PA

Actually Red in Blue PA was fair when he/she asked to correct him/her if anyone did know of any secular organisations lending aid in Haiti.

I do not believe he/she used the dead bodies in Haiti to forward his/her religious wars, but I have seen others here, who have.


21 posted on 01/17/2010 7:59:32 AM PST by James C. Bennett
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To: Red in Blue PA

It’s a fair question.

signed-
An Atheist


22 posted on 01/17/2010 8:25:15 AM PST by MissTickly
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To: Red in Blue PA

(since you asked) http://content.usatoday.com/communities/religion/post/2010/01/atheists-haiti-earthquake-doctors-without-borders-red-cross/1

Since we’re all made in the image of G_d, it’s not surprising that even those who deny Him feel a need to show love and compassion. It’s the fall and sin that leads us to boast and to try to be more right than our fellow creations.

Nevertheless, I’m encouraged when I see the atheists like Dawkins endeavor to do good and be right, even when they use it to proselytize for atheism. I’m convinced that once we try to learn truth and practice love, that it can become a habit and lead to the knowledge of Unconditional Truth and Love - and it’s Source.


23 posted on 01/17/2010 8:45:12 AM PST by hocndoc (http://www.LifeEthics.org (I've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.))
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To: BCrago66
Doctors without Borders, CARE, UNICEF, International Red Cross, and others

There is a diffeence between non-faith based and atheist. Not one of these organizations is specifically an atheist one. Someone posted an artile about Dawkins, and that is someone who is putting their money where their mouth is, and I respect that.
24 posted on 01/17/2010 10:50:39 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: hocndoc

That is nice to see. Many thanks for posting.


25 posted on 01/17/2010 10:51:20 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: Red in Blue PA
You were saying ...

We always hear from the MSM and from atheist groups, especially at Christmas, how atheist groups are on par with Christian groups. Watching the Haiti devastation and the people helping down there in the chaos and destruction, I have not yet seen even one single atheist organization.

Ummmm..., no need for "atheists" or Satanists or voodoo practitioners to go down to Haiti, since they're pretty much already running the entire country as it is...

The problem is that Haiti and its culture of voodoo and Satanist practices needs to be converted away from their cultural pact with the Devil...

Satan is all about destruction and death, and we can see how well that's panning out there in Haiti...



Government Of The Devil, By The Devil, And For The Devil

By Tom Barrett (03/11/04)

"Haiti is the only country in the entire world that has dedicated its government to Satan. Demonic spirits have been consulted for political decisions, and have shaped the country's history." Thus speaks Reverend Doug Anderson, who grew up in Haiti with missionary parents, and served there along with his wife Dawn as a missionary until 1990. The leaders of Haiti make no attempt to hide their allegiance to Satan. Haiti's government is a government of the devil, by the devil, and for the devil.

It is a matter of well-documented historical fact that the nation of Haiti was dedicated to Satan 200 years ago. On August 14, 1791, a group of houngans (voodoo priests), led by a former slave houngan named Boukman, made a pact with the Devil at a place called Bois-Caiman. All present vowed to exterminate all of the white Frenchmen on the island. They sacrificed a black pig in a voodoo ritual at which hundreds of slaves drank the pig's blood. In this ritual, Boukman asked Satan for his help in liberating Haiti from the French. In exchange, the voodoo priests offered to give the country to Satan for 200 years and swore to serve him. On January 1, 1804, the nation of Haiti was born and thus began a new demonic tyranny.

At the time of the pact Haiti was France's richest colony, and was known as the "Pearl of the Antilles" for its singular beauty. But it soon became one of the world's poorest and most benighted nations. Scoffers may say that there is no connection between the fact that Haiti was the richest nation in the hemisphere, and then became the poorest after selling its national soul to Satan. But the scoffers can't come up with a better explanation.

Voodoo is a practice based on a mixture of African spiritism and witchcraft. Depending on the source of one's research, between 75 and 90 percent of Haitians practice voodoo. This seems to fly in the face of the fact that the country is predominantly Catholic. But, like their African ancestors, voodoo practitioners have no problem embracing multiple religions. In fact, most who practice voodoo believe they must be Catholic first.

Until recently, voodoo was practiced in secret. Practitioners would go to the Catholic Church on Sunday, and attend voodoo ceremonies deep in the woods at other times. Voodoo was forbidden during the colonial times, and the 32 Haitian governments that followed independence also suppressed the practice because of world condemnation. But on April 8, 2003, President Jean-Bertrand Aristide approved Voodoo as an officially recognized religion in Haiti (see links below). Voodoo priests can now perform marriages and other ceremonies previously reserved for Christian religions. "An ancestral religion, Voodoo is an essential part of national identity," Aristide said in the decree recognizing Voodoo.

Aristide has been a controversial figure since he became the first freely elected president in Haiti's history in 1991, 200 years after the nation was dedicated to Satan. A defrocked Catholic priest, Aristide was expelled in 1988 from his order, the Salesians. He was a hero of the resistance to Haitian tyranny, then president, then exiled, then restored to the presidency by his close friend, Bill Clinton. One of his first acts was to express his support for reinstating the Voodoo pact that expired the year he was elected. He claimed that Voodoo was the "national religion" of Haiti, and a source of national pride.

Even before Aristide came to power, a U.S. embassy official in Port-au-Prince described Aristide as "a Marxist maniac." Newsweek Magazine called him "the flaky Father Jean-Bertrand Aristide." And none other than Henry Kissinger declared that he was "psychotic." While it is true that Aristide used Communism to gain power, I don't believe he is psychotic. What many see as madness is simply the pure evil that emanates from the man.

The Media Research Center (see link below), which describes Aristide as a "charismatic Marxist priest" had this to say about the man: "Aristide wasn't much of a Democrat, paying people to beat up his opponents, and becoming wealthy from drug trafficking into the U.S. For a good, brief primer on Aristide, see "Aristide Must Go," the editorial in the March 8 Weekly Standard. It explains how 'It is not the democratic authorities that are being overthrown in Haiti, but Aristide's retinue of gunmen.'" (There is a link to this article below, as well.)

Aristide was only in office eight months before he was ousted and fled to the United States. There he effectively lobbied Bill Clinton and other government officials, convincing them that he was not the tyrant that Haitians said he was. After Clinton sent 20,000 American troops to install Aristide in power in 1994, the president-turned-dictator disbanded the army. But the civilian police force he replaced it with has also brutalized the Haitian people, engaging in summary executions as well as the drug-running that has made Aristide the richest man in Haiti. This drug money allows Aristide to live in a lavish mansion in a nation where the average yearly salary is $350.

As the Weekly Standard editorial by Christopher Caldwell says, "Aristide, of course, did not create Haiti's problems, but he profits from all of them. His ten years of direct and indirect rule have been a disaster. His regime has been democratic only in the Haitian sense of one man, one vote, one time. The last free and fair election in Haiti was in 1990, the closely monitored contest that brought Aristide to power. Even then, Aristide was making use of street violence orchestrated by his "vigilance committees." Four years ago, Aristide received over 90 percent of the vote in a presidential election so transparently corrupt that several American and European agencies reluctantly froze hundreds of millions of dollars in aid money.

With a mystifying regularity reminiscent of Saddam Hussein, Aristide has refused the simplest procedural inducements to unlock millions that could have been used to feed and treat his poorer compatriots. From humble beginnings as a Salesian slum priest, Aristide has become the richest man in Haiti. How? Last Wednesday in Miami, the Haitian mafioso Beaudoin Ketant, go-between for three Colombian cartels, was sentenced to 27 years in prison for transporting 30 tons of cocaine between Haiti and Florida. At his sentencing, Ketant said that Aristide "is a drug lord. He controlled the drug trade in Haiti. It's a one-man show, your honor. You either pay him or you die."

Caldwell goes on to relate how Aristide created a series of banks that paid absurd rates of interest, which enticed Haiti's tiny middle class to deposit their hard-earned dollars. He then stole $90 million from the banks, effectively demolishing the middle class and creating a classic poor-against-rich uprising that resulted in his ouster.

Democrat almost-nominee John Kerry spoke out in support of Aristide prior to his resignation, saying "This democracy is going to be sustained." Democrat Charlie Rangel and the Congressional Black Caucus, along with such upstanding citizens as "Reverend" Jesse Jackson and Alcee Hastings (the former federal judge convicted of bribery), have been calling for the US to once again install Aristide in power following his recent resignation. They have been irresponsibly trumpeting his ridiculous lies about being "kidnapped" by the US and "forced into exile." The obvious facts are that Aristide begged for US help and we protected him. When it became clear that the only way his safety could be assured was to leave the country, we provided transportation for him.

Had we not intervened, Aristide would have been dead in a matter of days, so furious were the people he had abused for years. He gladly boarded the plane, grateful for our protection. Now that he is safe, he is laying the groundwork for a possible comeback with his preposterous lies. Rangel, Maxine Waters, Barbara Lee and the rest of the Black Caucus should be ashamed of siding with a vicious dictator against their own country. I don't have a bone of prejudice in my body against blacks. But I am greatly prejudiced against the members of this Caucus because of their constant use of the race card, whether or not race is an issue. It is clearly not the issue here. The fact that Aristide is black is not why his countrymen want him gone. It is because he is an evil man.

My biggest problem with this man is the fact that, not only did he make Voodoo an official religion, he used every device available to him to promote it. On the day that his government officially recognized Voodoo, he paid all the radio stations to play nothing but Voodoo music all day. He flew in 400 Voodoo priests from West Africa, the birthplace of the evil religion, to promote it.

A missionary couple who run an orphanage and a school for 400 children in Haiti sent a report to their supporters last summer (see the link to "Religious Persecution Intensifies in Haiti" below). It reads, in part, "Last week a baby was stolen from the hospital in St. Marc. The reason the child is to be sacrificed to appease the Voodoo gods for the so-called special day of celebration." Can there be any question of the horribly evil nature of this "religion" that former priest Aristide promotes?

And now for the good news. Even with Aristide's support and promotion, Voodoo in Haiti is doomed. God's people have gone on the offensive, and the blood pact that has kept Haiti in darkness for 200 years has been broken.

I first heard this account from Bishop Joel Jeune at a meeting of the Gospel Crusade Ministerial Fellowship (www.GCMF.org). Jeune is the Coordinator of Haiti for the GCMF and oversees 64 churches there.

The link, "US Department of State Report of Religious Freedom" below contains this report: "In early August 1997, three evangelical pastors were arrested near Cap Haitien after they had proceeded with plans to hold a religious revival at Bois Caiman. Bois Caiman has a strong patriotic significance for Haitians, since it is the site of a legendary 1791 voodoo ceremony at which slaves swore to rise up against their masters and risk death rather than continue to live in bondage. The resulting slave rebellion was a precursor to the Haitian Revolution (1791-1804)."

"The pastors, who had been prohibited by the authorities from holding the revival on the actual anniversary of the ceremony, proceeded instead with plans to hold the event several days before the anniversary, hoping to rid the area of malevolent influences. This offended much of the local populace and local authorities, who arrested pastors Joel Jeune, Jean Berthony Paul, and Gregor Joseph on August 4. They were released on the orders of a judge on August 6."

The government account tells only part of the story. In the link "Haiti - God's country after a 'holy invasion'" you will see the following and much more (very exciting reading):

"On 14 August 1997, God's people in Haiti experienced a historic victory over Satan, a milestone in winning our country back for God. The reason lies in history. The slaves brought here from Africa have suffered incredibly for many years. On 14 August 1791, a slave leader by the name of Boukman called a secret meeting in a wood called Bois-Caiman near Cap Haitien, which was attended by a large number of slaves. They celebrated a satanic ceremony, sacrificing a pig and drinking its blood, swore to serve the Devil and dedicated Haiti to him. For 206 years, Bois-Caiman was a very holy place, a high place which could only be entered by witch doctors during Voodoo ceremonies. For 206 years, they have been meeting there every August 14 to sacrifice to Satan."

"A number of Christian leaders, including Paul and Gerald Clerie of 'Vision: Haiti' and Christian leaders among the large numbers of Haitians in the USA, Canada, France and other countries, called Christians to unite on 14 August 1997 to pray and fast that Haiti would return to God. In Haiti's towns, villages and mountains, Christians came together to fast and pray, held victory marches in the streets and a large event in the capital from 6am to 10pm during the holy invasion."

"Our church members started their march in front of the President's palace and marched for 6 hours to the place where the satanic ceremony took place 206 years ago. We had informed the government and media of our intentions weeks before the event, and were told that the witch doctors would be there, as they were every year. When we arrived, they had hidden themselves, unable to directly confront the Christians. It was a significant spiritual battle to reach the tree under which the pig was sacrificed in the original ceremony. We formed a Jericho march, circling the magic tree seven times. On the seventh time around, God gave many people a vision of the Devil fleeing from the area. The Christians were overjoyed. We cancelled the satanic contract and broke the curse, before celebrating communion and dedicating the area as a place of prayer. We also declared 14 August to be a national prayer day, on which people should pray that Haiti will return to God."

"On the same day, several witch doctors were saved during the events in the capital. Three days after our holy invasion, the witch doctors returned to Bois-Caiman to bring their sacrifices and call on the spirits. After days of effort, nothing happened, because we had commanded the spirits never to return and dedicated the area to Christ."

"The witch doctors complained to the government and media. At first, the government also protested, speaking in a press release of 'terrible damage to a Voodoo holy place in which no Christian had set foot for 206 years.' By the grace of God, the government relented and respected our legal right as Haitians to gather at any place on Haiti, including Bois-Caiman, where they now allow all Christian groups to meet. The place is now very popular, and local Christians gather there daily for prayer and fasting. All Haitians now know that the country no longer has a pact with the Devil; the contract has been cancelled, the curse broken."

In 1991, 200 years after his predecessors had dedicated Haiti to Satan, Jean-Bertrand Aristide became president of Haiti and attempted to renew the contract. In 1997, the contract was broken forever. In 2003, in a last desperate attempt to retain power, Aristide made Voodoo an official religion. And now he is gone. Let us pray that Haiti, with its newfound freedom, will turn to the one true God.


US Department of State Report of Religious Freedom
http://www.cesnur.org/testi/irf/irf_haiti99.html

Haiti - God's country after a 'holy invasion'
http://www.jesus.org.uk/dawn/1998/dawn9802.html

Victory Over Voodoo in Haiti
http://www.christian-connection.org/print.php?sid=299

Religious Persecution Intensifies In Haiti
http://www.andyfigueroa.net/haiti.htm

Haiti; Satan's Stronghold
http://www.raptureme.com/rap16.html

Breaking the Blood Pact
http://www.newdirections.org/index.php/pressroom

Aristide Approves Voodoo as an Official Religion
http://www.religionnewsblog.com/archives/00002966.html

Voodoo - It's Official in Haiti
http://www.ccgm.org.au/articles/ARTICLE-0070.htm

Aristide Defends Record
http://www.montereyherald.com/mld/montereyherald/5060184.htm

Aristide Mansion
http://www.salon.com/news/1999/03/12news.html

Media Research Center
http://www.mediaresearch.org/printer/cyberalerts/2004/cyb20040302pf.asp

"Pearl of the Antilles"
http://www.rminet.org/retreat_center.htm

"Aristide Must Go" - The Weekly Standard
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/795ywram.asp

Aristide Claims He Was Kidnapped from Haiti
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040306/wl_nm/haiti_aristide_dc_1

Islamic Influences on Haitian Voodoo
http://www.webster.edu/~corbetre/haiti/voodoo/islam.htm

The Challenges Facing Haiti
http://www.webster.edu/~corbetre/haiti/bookreviews/arisfarmplum.htm



Some articles by Tom Barrett (the link below), so you can see where he's coming from...

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26 posted on 01/17/2010 10:51:26 AM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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Haitians Seek Solace Amid the Ruins

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2430590/posts

PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti — With their churches flattened, their priests killed and their Bibles lost amid the rubble of their homes, desperate Haitians prayed in the streets on Sunday, raising their arms in the air and asking God to ease their grief.

Outside the city’s main cathedral, built in 1750 but now a giant pile of twisted metal, shattered stained glass and cracked concrete, parishioners held a makeshift service at the curb outside, not far from where scores of homeless people were camping out in a public park. The bishop’s sermon of hope was a hard sell, though, as many listening had lost their relatives, their homes and their possessions.

“We have to keep hoping,” said Bishop Marie Eric Toussant, although he acknowledged that he had no resources to help his many suffering parishioners and did not know whether the historic cathedral would ever be rebuilt. He said the quake had toppled the residences where priests stayed, crushing many of them.

Baptized at the cathedral, Jean Viejina, 68, said she had visited the church every Sunday morning for as long as she can remember, using it to help her endure what she described as a challenging life raising six children. Now, even this place of refuge, like so much in Port-au-Prince, was gone.


27 posted on 01/17/2010 11:01:46 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: Red in Blue PA
You were saying ...

With their churches flattened, their priests killed and their Bibles lost amid the rubble of their homes, desperate Haitians prayed in the streets on Sunday, raising their arms in the air and asking God to ease their grief.

The judgment of God does have a way of getting people's attention, and I'm sure that those practicing voodoo are engaging in their rituals, too -- along with whatever Christians are in Haiti (and there were some, trying to change the culture of voodoo and Satanic practices that were rampant and widespread in Haiti).

Even the righteous Daniel, in the Bible, was carried away and dislocated from Israel and put in another country and had to serve another government, as part of that judgment of God upon the nation of Israel. And so, you will also find Christians and those who believe in the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and His Messiah of Israel -- caught in "national judgment" upon nations, too -- just like many Christians here are caught up in the "national judgment" of God upon this nation -- in the form of Obama as President.

28 posted on 01/17/2010 11:03:19 AM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

Did it ever occur to you that even if people were ignorant and practiced voodoo that a forgiving God would forgive them?

I am always amazed to see people who absolutely know what God thinks beyond a shadow of a doubt. I mistrust people like this more than anyone else, so it goes without saying your posts do not mean much to me.


29 posted on 01/17/2010 11:10:15 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Especially considering the fact that amongst the unfortunate victims, were many missionaries, Catholic priests and nuns.

I posted this elsewhere earlier, but it did nothing to budge those on that thread who were convinced that “God is punishing Haiti”.


30 posted on 01/17/2010 11:17:57 AM PST by James C. Bennett
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To: Red in Blue PA
You were saying ...

Did it ever occur to you that even if people were ignorant and practiced voodoo that a forgiving God would forgive them?

Forgiveness only comes from repentance and the turning to Jesus, the Messiah of Israel as the only way to salvation for anyone on this earth.

If they do that -- repent of their evil ways (just like we saw in the book of Jonah, when God sent the message to them, through Jonah) and accept the promised Messiah of Israel (who has now come, but before, people looked forward to His coming) -- then they will be forgiven.

Judgment of nations, by the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is meant to turn people's hearts to repentance of their evil ways and to get them to turn to the Salvation that is in Jesus, the Messiah of Israel.

We'll see if we have national repentance in Haiti or not -- or simply a continuation of their long-standing Satanic and voodoo practices...

31 posted on 01/17/2010 11:18:17 AM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler
Forgiveness only comes from repentance and the turning to Jesus, the Messiah of Israel as the only way to salvation for anyone on this earth.

So the Hindus and Buddhists must close up shop or they are doomed? Let's just say that you and I disagree on what God demands.
32 posted on 01/17/2010 11:21:50 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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From the posts of many here, I wonder if they ever picked up a Bible!

Those who claim to know the intricate thoughts of God’s work are usually those who do not have a clue from my experience.

Imagine Mother Theresa saying that the “Haitians deserved it”! Can anyone?

We have the loony left.....things like this bring out the loony right.


33 posted on 01/17/2010 11:25:37 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: Red in Blue PA
So the Hindus and Buddhists must close up shop or they are doomed? Let's just say that you and I disagree on what God demands.

The Messiah of Israel, Jesus, will "close up their shop" in very short order, when He establishes His rule and Kingdom over all the nations of the world.

That will be coming soon... :-)

And in the meantime, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob will continue his judgment on the nations and all over the world...

Here is what the Messiah of Israel thinks about the nations, as He says in Psalms 2... (hint... "He laughs in derision...")

He who sits in the heavens shall laugh; The Lord shall hold them in derision.


   Psalms Chapter 2

 1 Why do the nations rage, And the people plot a vain thing?

 2 The kings of the earth set themselves, And the rulers take counsel
   together, Against the Lord and against His Anointed, saying,

 3 "Let us break Their bonds in pieces And cast away Their cords from
   us."

 4 He who sits in the heavens shall laugh; The Lord shall hold them in
   derision.

 5 Then He shall speak to them in His wrath, And distress them in His
   deep displeasure:

 6 "Yet I have set My King On My holy hill of Zion."

 7 "I will declare the decree: The Lord has said to Me, 'You are My Son,
   Today I have begotten You.

 8 Ask of Me, and I will give You The nations for Your inheritance, And
   the ends of the earth for Your possession.

 9 You shall break them with a rod of iron; You shall dash them to pieces
   like a potter's vessel.' "

10 Now therefore, be wise, O kings; Be instructed, you judges of the earth.

11 Serve the Lord with fear, And rejoice with trembling.

12 Kiss the Son, lest He be angry, And you perish in the way, When His
   wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all those who put their
   trust in Him.

34 posted on 01/17/2010 11:29:33 AM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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Haitians praise God after apocalyptic quake

PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti – Drumbeats called the faithful to a Sunday Mass praising God amid a scene resembling the Apocalypse — a collapsed cathedral in a city cloaked with the smell of death, where aid is slow to reach survivors and rescue crews battle to pry an ever-smaller number of the living from the ruins.

Sunlight streamed through what little was left of blown-out stained-glass windows as the Rev. Eric Toussaint preached to a small crowd of survivors. A rotting body lay in its main entrance.

“Why give thanks to God? Because we are here,” Toussaint said. “We say ‘Thank you God.’ What happened is the will of God. We are in the hands of God now.”

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100117/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/cb_haiti_earthquake


35 posted on 01/17/2010 11:29:34 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: Star Traveler
That will be coming soon... :-)

And why do I get the notion that you truly believe you will be at the head of the line?
36 posted on 01/17/2010 11:31:49 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: Red in Blue PA
You were saying ...

And why do I get the notion that you truly believe you will be at the head of the line?

All who are in the Lamb's Book of Life, shall be with Jesus, the Messiah of Israel, forevermore... as it tells all of those who are His...

Those whose name is not written in the Lamb's book of life will be before the Great White Throne Judgment (of Revelation 20) and will be cast into the lake of fire for eternal damnation and torment...


   Revelation Chapter 20

10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and
   brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will
   be tormented day and night forever and ever.

11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose
   face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no
   place for them.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and
   books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the
   Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works,
   by the things which were written in the books.

13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades
   delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged,
   each one according to his works.

14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is
   the second death.

15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into
   the lake of fire.


The choice is yours (and everyone else's individually) as to whether they are in the Lamb's Book of Life...

37 posted on 01/17/2010 11:37:51 AM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

What matters are each of our actions, not whether we can piously cite scripture.

You will not convince me otherwise, and it sounds like I will not convince you otherwise.


38 posted on 01/17/2010 11:39:40 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: Red in Blue PA
There are plenty of organizations -- not "atheist" as such -- that are unaffiliated with any religions. For example the American Red Cross and Doctors without Borders.

They do their good work without any bait and switch for the Daddy-in-the-Sky fantasy (and of course not making a point of opposing it either).

But if you are looking for actual self-described atheist charities, here's a list:
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/01/non-believers_giving_aid.php

39 posted on 01/17/2010 11:44:51 AM PST by Salman
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To: Red in Blue PA
You were saying ...

You will not convince me otherwise, and it sounds like I will not convince you otherwise.

It doesn't matter what you convince me about -- because I'm not the one you'll be seeing at the Great White Throne judgment.... it's the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and He'll be making the decision at that point in time -- either -- on the basis of your name being written in the Lamb's book of life -- or -- solely based on your own actions... (you take your pick... of which one you want)...

So, it's like this...

"You pick -- and God decides your fate from that..."


40 posted on 01/17/2010 11:46:36 AM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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