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just one room? thats all? pretty amazing.

Many companies which were founded in America have moved significant amounts of their operations offshore. Apple has done the same thing. The leadership positions of many of these companies are staffed by non-Americans, frequently from the country where operations are being shipped too.

These same ‘leaders’ use their American company status to influence American policy and laws. Apple is yet another example of this.

This thread is about a patent dispute between Apple and Nokia. Every single one of these threads is full of apple kool-aid drinkers who slander Nokia. As if Apple is lily-white in this entire situation.

We’ll see how the lawsuits work out. You people slam Nokia for asking for top dollar for their product and yet willingly slam down $600 for an over-price apple product.

So yeah I’m not all that impressed.

just one room

One room of the hardware design and development center.

Many companies which were founded in America have moved significant amounts of their operations offshore.

Apple moved manufacturing offshore, but Jobs wants the design aspect kept very close.

You people slam Nokia for asking for top dollar for their product

I don't slam Nokia for asking top dollar for their products. I do slam them for agreeing to RAND terms for their patents as part of them being included in standards, but then violating the "ND" part of "RAND" and asking more from one specific company in an effort to leverage that company into licensing its patents.

We know Nokia wants to copy the iPhone. A Nokia executive flat-out admitted it. Unfortunately for Nokia, they pretty much need at least some of those 200+ iPhone patents in order to make such a copy. This is their extortion attempt to get those patents.

Sad. Nokia made my first and second cell phones from the mid 90s. They tended to be at the forefront of phone technology back then. Now Nokia is reduced to an underhanded lawsuit because they can't come up with anything better than the competition.

Let's look at some of the facts and background of this dispute:

Is this dispute about patents that are part of the GSM and UMTS International Standard for cellular telephone transmissions? It is.
Are these International Standards required by binding agreements between the patent holders including Apple and Nokia to be licensed in a Fair, Reasonable, and Non-Discriminatory (F/RAND) manner according to the accords signed by all parties belonging to the standards group of which both Nokia and Apple are members. They are.
Has Apple licensed all other patented portions of the GSM and UMTS International Standard from the respective patent holders under F/RAND terms? Yes, they have.
Are the other patents at dispute part of the IEEE International Standards for 802.11 WIFI standards that both Nokia and Apple have contributed patents, many of which are supposed to be licensed free of charge to foster universal adoption? They are.
Are these patents also covered by agreements requiring they be licensed to other standard group member under F/RAND terms? Yes, they are.
Why has Apple NOT licensed the Nokia patented portions of the GSM and UMTS International Standard? Because Nokia is refusing to do so under F/RAND terms.
Did Nokia demand that Apple pay an unreasonable, discriminatory license fee per iPhone unit THREE TIME greater than the fee charged to any other cell phone maker for each patent license, contrary to the signed F/RAND agreements? Yes, they did.
Did Nokia DEMAND that Apple also provide them licenses at no cost to Nokia for Apple iPhone patents in addition before they would even agree to license the Nokia patents that were part of the GSM and UMTS International standards, again contrary to the standards organizations licensing agreements? Yes, they did.
Did Nokia, when Apple refused to allow them to use Apple's iPhone patents, that were not part of any international standard, go ahead and use them anyway? Yes, they did.
Do these agreements allow members who are NOT granted licenses under F/RAND terms to use the patents without said licenses? Yes they do, to prevent patent holders from doing exactly what Nokia is attempting.

These are establish facts, published in numerous articles in the worldwide press over the past three years. There is no slander here. The slander is from Nokia in breaking their contracts with international standards organizations and slandering members by stating they are "infringing patents" that are supposed to be freely usable by the groups' members AND supposed to be freely licensable by the members under F/RAND terms, when it was Nokia who was unilaterally in violation of the contracts failing to complete the licenses to Apple and attempting to use them as leverage contrary to the signed agreement to unfairly gain access to Apple's intellectual property. Apple is operating properly under those signed agreements.