Posted on 12/30/2009 8:33:14 PM PST by wendy1946
Anybody on FR know anything about this or have any ideas as to the feasibility of blocking access to the BIOS chips on common kinds of laptops, possibly via some motherboard jumper?
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Anybody on FR know anything about this or have any ideas as to the feasibility of blocking access to the BIOS chips on common kinds of laptops, possibly via some motherboard jumper?
I'm having to help a cousin (an older lady who just got a Windows laptop for a present) set up and maintain her computer.
I'm a Mac guy and I hate Windows... LOL... but I'll help out relatives when they need help. It's the latest operating system from Microsoft (since it's a brand new computer). About two years ago, I helped another cousin set up and maintain a Windows Vista computer...
It sure makes me very, very appreciative of the Mac OS X system and Apple's computers. They're wonderful in comparison.... :-)
But, I'll be interested in finding out about this malady for Windows, as I'll probably have to help her there, too (in order to prevent something going wrong there) -- but at least I don't have to worry about my Macintosh computer that way...
Personally like the idea to block BIOS access without physical access to system. Makes life miserable for network admins, but is good practice.
In reality, the best BIOS virii are written by government agencies who must not be named, both ours and the bad guys’ agencies.
This family of viruses infects the BIOS. It’s active and infectious regardless of what OS is installed on the machine. Why do you believe your Mac is immune to this?
Anybody with some familiarity with computer systems would know that such a virus, were it to exist, would be independent of the operating system. This is especially true as Macs and many Windows machines run on the same hardware.
Also, you could look at their presentation; buried all the way on page 3 is the bullet point that such a virus would be OS-independent. Their presentation mentions attacks on both Windows-based and Unix-based machines.
The important thing to note is that BIOS attacks are at least a decade old (if not older) and are very difficult to execute. This is because you need physical access to the machine (or the ability to install programs at root level). Most BIOSes these days are write-protected, meaning you need to explicitly allow writing before any such attack would work.
I guess the important thing to note is that no hacker would bother with this when they can easily and quickly fool hundreds of thousands of people into installing malware on their systems. BIOS attacks are interesting from an academic or theoretical standpoint but it’s important to note that they are not new and there is very little (almost zero) risk of being affected by one.
Anybody with some familiarity with computer systems would know that such a virus, were it to exist, would be independent of the operating system. This is especially true as Macs and many Windows machines run on the same hardware.
I'm familiar with the theoretical concept -- and I'm also familiar with the actual results that those sorts of security problems (and other similar security problems) don't happen on the Macintosh computers... :-)
And so..., in practice, and about a decade of the operating system that it is using (Mac OS X) -- it simply has no problems with viruses or a whole multitude of other exploits and/or security problems... it just doesn't happen and hasn't happen in over that long length of time and is not even increasing and/or "happening more" -- it's simply "non-existent"... on Macintosh...
You are free to bury your head in the sand. I will not argue with you. Reality be damned, it seems.
I guess I should say you are free to keep your head buried, as it’s long been there anyway.
Why do you believe your Mac is immune to this?
Because security problems like these and/or the over 100,000 viruses simply don't happen on the Macintosh... :-)
You can ask, also, Swordmaker, which is a good resource for information like this about the vastly and drastically reduced and "non-existence" of these types of problems on the Macintosh computers...
No buried heads... “nothing is happening” with the Macintosh computers and it hasn’t happened in the last decade... with this Mac OS X — no matter how much you wish it was happening... LOL...
Please see Post #8 just above.
If you forget that, please see again Post #8 above.
You’ll notice that I was replying to post #8 ... LOL...
Just because you want to ignore the facts of the matter doesn’t mean that it’s not your own head stuck up somewhere... :-)
Please see Post #8 above.
When one’s head is up there, you end up being caught in an infinite loop.... so just “pull it out” and you’ll be okay... :-)
Please see Post #8 above.
I believe that I mentioned I will not argue with you. There isn’t more I can say than I’ve already said as to why.
No arguing..., just trying to help you get out of that infinite loop, that’s all... life will be better for it... :-)
I just drive to the store and buy what I need with cash. Same with banking. My bankers know what I look like....and know my name..
Possibly due to the means of flashing the bios? The attack program to install the bios virus may be windows specific...
No BIOS... for one thing.
Macs are EFI machines. Extensible Firmware Interface is a specification that defines a software interface between an operating system and platform firmware. EFI is a much larger, more complex, OS-like replacement for the older BIOS firmware interface present in all IBM PC-compatible personal computers. The EFI specification was originally developed by Intel, and is now managed by the Unified EFI Forum.
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