It is simply not relevant to the point I was making which is that the words “the freedom of speech” indicate the independent pre-existence of the right to free speech. Apparently I should have written: Use of the words “the freedom of speech” in the First Ammendment indicate the independent pre-existence of the right to free speech
That's not to say it's not relevant to what you are saying. We're just stressing different aspects.
“In the situation of this story it IS a property rights issue..”
Did I say otherwise? If so, cut and paste my words.
Again, I'm trying to discuss whether or not the government is involved (in the particular situation at hand) and discuss property rights in more detail. Nobody including you is being responsive to that.
As to your last paragraph, Let's say you and I agree on that. Can you convince someone who disagrees? For such a person: Can you define property, bearing in mind that their are different kinds of property? Can you define property rights? Can you refer to an authoritative statement that acknowledges the existence of property rights? Can you back up what you say as anything other than personal opinion? Remember, that's for the person who disagrees with us, not for me.
Part of the problem here is that you keep talking about what you’re not saying but you’re really not saying very much so it’s hard to figure out what it is you’re actually saying.
Seems like all you really want is a definition and acknowledgment of property rights. Property rights are acknowledged in the Fifth, when it’s outlined that we can’t have our property seized in criminal cases without due process or taken for public use without just compensation. That’s acknowledgment of property rights, and it’s an acknowledgment that they’re pretty strong since property is listed right up there with life and liberty as something that can’t be seized without due process. As for the definition that gets more complicated, because property is a complex concept with many different kinds of property, and many different methods of declaring control you have to dig into the jurisprudence to know what the property rights are for item X in situation Y. At the most basic level property rights are the ability to do what you want with your stuff, so long as you’re not infringing on others.