Posted on 11/12/2009 12:36:30 PM PST by fours
A man claiming to have been Barack Obama’s homosexual lover and another claiming to have Obama’s Kenyan birth certificate say Laguna Niguel attorney Orly Taitz asked them to lie in federal court.
Taitz planned to use the two as witnesses in her effort to prove Obama was born in Kenya and is not a legitimate president. However, the case was dismissed on Oct. 29 by U.S. District Judge David O. Carter without going to trial.
In his dismissal, Carter wrote, “the Court has received several sworn affidavits that Taitz asked potential witnesses that she planned to call before this Court to perjure themselves. This Court is deeply concerned that Taitz may have suborned perjury through witnesses she intended to bring before this Court.”
... in a Nov. 9 motion that criticized Carter’s dismissal of the case, Taitz identifies Larry Sinclair and Lucas Smith as the witnesses she believes filed affidavits saying that she asked them to lie. She denies the accusations and told me she thinks Sinclair and Smith filed the affidavits in response to pressure put on them. Sinclair provided me a copy of the affidavit he said he provided to the court, and said that he mailed a copy to Taitz as well.
Smith claims to have bribed a Kenyan official in February and obtained this document, which he says is Obama’s 1961 Kenyan birth certificate. Among those calling the document a fake is World Net Daily’s Jerome Corsi ...
Among allegations made in the affidavit from Smith is that Taitz asked him to say that he was the one who obtained a document that was alleged to be a 1964 Republic of Kenya Certified Copy of Registration of Birth of Barack Hussein Obama II. That document had been called a forgery by experts and in his affidavit, Smith said his research also concluded that the document was fake.
Smith also said that after he nearly stepped in front of a car driving down the street, Taitz “wanted me to give testimony in the Honorable Judge David O. Carter’s courtroom that there had been an ‘attempt on my life’…”
Taitz told the court that Smith’s life was in danger because the Obama administration did not want the information to get out.
According to Sinclair’s affidavit, Taitz wanted Sinclair to testify in order to bolster the case that lives were in danger and the case should be expedited.
... “Orly Taitz stated, ‘Larry, I want you to testify that three members of Obama’s church were murdered.’ I interrupted Orly Taitz at this time and informed her, ‘Dr. Taitz, I told you when you contacted me in December 2008 you were spreading false claims, there was not three members of Obama’s church murdered.’” Sinclair says in the affidavit.
Sinclair also says that Taitz asked him to identify for the court a birthmark on Obama, which Sinclair said he had not in fact seen.
Taitz said she “absolutely did not” ask Smith to say the 1964 certificate came from him, and “absolutely did not” ask him to say there had been an attempt on his life. She said she talked to Sinclair about other deaths in the church but did not ask him to lie, and denied his other allegations as well.
“There was some kind of pressure on Lawrence Sinclair and Lucas Daniel Smith to stop working with me,” Taitz said.
Pressure from whom?
“I don’t know who,” she said.
Sinclair says the only pressure he felt was from Taitz and her backers.
“I had gone out of my way to not be associated with her in any way, but she continued to try and pull me and my story into her cases,” Sinclair wrote me in an email. “I have not been pressured except by the constant attacks from her and her supporters because I would not make statements that I knew to be false.”
In his affidavit, Smith repeatedly expresses frustration with Taitz’ inability to address the lawsuit effectively.
“… it began to become clearer and clearer to me that Orly Taitz had no understanding of the law,” he said. “I came to an exhaustive conclusion that Orly Taitz may be the ‘Birthers’ worst nightmare. Outside of paying attention to her own voice at length, Orly Taitz has the attention span of a small child….”
“I knew that there was nothing further that I could do to convince Orly Taitz that we should fight this case with truths and documentation rather than her campaign of fighting Obama lies with Orly lies.”
Click here to read Smith’s affidavit. Beware that there is explicit discussion of Taitz alleged sexual behavior.
That’s an interesting interpretation they “took” from WKA. As we know, WKA stated someone born in the country, to alien parents was a “citizen.” They didn’t say he was a “Natural Born” citizen. Would love to see what SCOTUS has to say about that...IF it ever gets to them.
Technically, Wong Kim Ark didn't rule on whether Ark was a natural born citizen, only on whether he was a citizen; everything else in the opinion is dicta. But they do discuss Blackstone and state that, at the time of the ratification of the Constitution, "natural born citizen" was undertood to mean anyone born in the U.S. regardless of parentage.
Would love to see what SCOTUS has to say about that...IF it ever gets to them.
I doubt it will ever get to them-- they have turned down 6 or 7 eligibility cases already, without a single recorded dissent. But if it does get to them, I think they will agree with the Indiana court.
Obama's non-citizen father was hardly a secret-- he admitted it in his autobiography. But during the campaign, not one of his primary opponents claimed he was ineligible; McCain and Palin didn't say he was ineligible; not one conservative lawyer ever wrote an op-ed piece saying he was ineligible; no member of the elctoral college said he was ineligible; not one member of Congress objected to the certification of the electoral votes; and Chief Justice Roberts swore him in. The Supreme Court is not going to find him ineligible now.
Did WKA declare the child born in country to foreign parents a Natural Born Citizen?
"It thus clearly appears that by the law of England for the last three centuries, beginning before the settlement of this country, and continuing to the present day, aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the crown of England, were within the allegiance, the obedience, the faith or loyalty, the protection, the power, and the jurisdiction of the English sovereign; and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject, unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign state, or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born.
"The same rule was in force in all the English colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the constitution as originally established."
In other words (& in short)...WKA did NOT find him a Natural Born Citizen (& you know it).
Where can I find a record of really how much Obama has spent? Someone keeps using this as an argument..implying that we are lying...where do I find the proof?
Sinclair sounds so “innocent” like he was dragged to California. If he was so eager to stay clear of Orly, why then did he go to “work” with her in the first place, money???
Yep!!!
http://www.youtube.com/user/InspectorSmith
He posted repeatedly on the above referenced website, in an informal manner, about his dissatisfaction with Orly's performance well before he submitted his formal declaration regarding her to Judge Carter. I believe he gave the matter a lot of serious consideration before submitting his declaration.
Lucas and Orly were not able to work together and there was no mutual respect between them, as can easily be seen from his declaration. I believe Lucas was afraid that Orly would not allow him to testify in court regarding the CPGH Kenyan Birth Certificate because of her animosity towards him. He desperately wishes his document to be accepted as authentic for reasons I believe are based on financial (initial) and patriotic (more so in recent months) considerations.
I don't think any of Obama's thugs have gotten to Lucas yet.
I do fear for his safety!
You're acting like I'm trying to hide that point. I said, back in post #92, that, "technically, Wong Kim Ark didn't rule on whether Ark was a natural born citizen, only on whether he was a citizen; everything else in the opinion is dicta."
There is, I believe, no single case in any American court (until this week's Indiana case) that ever directly litigated whether someone was a Natural Born Citizen for purposes of being eligible to the presidency. But the fact remains that Wong Kim Ark has a long discussion of this issue, and states (in dicta, of course) that anyone born on U.S. soil is a a natural born citizen, even if both their parents are aliens.
Do you have a screen shot of that???
I think so too, and with these two guys you always have to “follow the money”, hmmmm...hmmmm...hmmmm!!!
Including the other two branches!!!
I did NOT see any signature, hmmmm...hmmmm...hmmmm!!!
Are you able to produce any better attorney for this political scam???
Larry Sinclair bump.
So what’s your point?
Do you think it is a nut to uphold and defend the Constitution???
And,...just follow the money!!!
A signature is the point!!!
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