Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article


1 posted on 10/31/2009 4:46:46 AM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies ]


To: Halfmanhalfamazing

He ran as a 3rd party candidate period.


2 posted on 10/31/2009 4:49:13 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Halfmanhalfamazing
I believe that political success of the principles we believe in can best be achieved in the Republican Party. I believe the Republican Party can hold and should provide the political mechanism through which the goals of the majority of Americans can be achieved.

The OP(formerly the GOP) has moved so far to the left to expand the voter base that it has incrementally merged ideologically with the socialist RATs forming one big socialist Republicrat party. The Conservative party is the second party.

The OP has had a chance for many years to advance the Conservative cause but chose to abandon conservatism and move down the path to socialism. Conservative principles can best be achieved under a Conservative party umbrella.
3 posted on 10/31/2009 4:56:17 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Third parties lose out when three conditions apply.

First, when they are running beyond their means. This usually means that they run an egotistical presidential candidate first, without having any lower seats to back them up. If they stick to local politics first, they get legs.

Second, they insist on their rigidly holding onto their entire platform, instead of running on the most popular parts of their platform, where they and the public agree. Ironically, this is not “selling out”, as they are not dropping what they believe in, just emphasizing what both they and the voters like.

An axiom to this second rule is to keep it simple. The Contract With America was simple, clear, and popular. Voters love clarity, core values, and straight talk, even if they are not wholly behind the ideas.

Third, is that in many States and at the federal level, laws have been passed to exclude or minimize third party success. So third parties have to get in and litigate long before the election, just to have a fair playing field.


4 posted on 10/31/2009 5:00:57 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Halfmanhalfamazing
Forget a third party.

We need a second one.

5 posted on 10/31/2009 5:01:55 AM PDT by mewzilla (In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Sorry, but this is an example of a third party, and in NY-23, as of today, that party’s name is “Republican.”

The new reigning “first” party is Independent, Principled, Conservatism.

I guess if the GOP wants to survive and compete in its current form it is going to have to learn how to beat out the other major liberal party.

Otherwise, it’s going to have to rethink and redo everything, or die.


6 posted on 10/31/2009 5:03:22 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (We're winning.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Halfmanhalfamazing
The only reason all this is happening is because there wasn't a primary. Had there been a primary fight, Hoffman would have likely defeated Scozzafava and we wouldn't even be talking about this.

However, the establishment GOP has largely been adamant about shoving Scuzzy down the throats of the base. They could have realized it was mistake to pick her, but failed (she isn't just hyper-liberal, she's corrupt as well).

True to form, the GOP-uber-alles types blame everyone but the GOP establishment for the desire of conservatives to have a third party. Do you think the vast majority of conservatives expressing such an opinion see such as anything but a last resort?

8 posted on 10/31/2009 5:06:12 AM PDT by dirtboy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Halfmanhalfamazing

You are not going to get many who agree with you here.

Most would rather burn down the barn to save the farm.

Look for a rash of third party candidates in 2010 to steal just enough votes to get the D elected.

I make my fight in the Primaries.

Senator Burr (R-NC) is at under 40% right now and I’ll be supporting and R that runs against him - if one does.

Everyone talks about how NC is “BLUE” now. Obama won NC with less than 25,000 votes. Over 25,000 voted for Barr in NC. Barr had no chance of winning but over 25,000 voted for him so they could feel good come Wednesday morning.


12 posted on 10/31/2009 5:19:17 AM PDT by PeteB570 (NRA - Life member and Black Rifle owner)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Save the party. Vote for its candidate.

==

That says the party is more important than what it stands for.

We saw that in 2008, with renegade McCain who stood for little and was defeated by 2-to-1 in electoral votes.

The Republican leadership like the status quo.

Look how surprised they are whenever the ‘natives’ get restless. See the strained, shocked look on Boehner’s face when the Tea Party hundreds of thousands showed up in Washington. See the strained, shocked look on Gingrich’s face when his NY-23 endorsement is now running in 3rd place.

The Republican leadership is their own self-interest group and, as Gingrich said about the NY-23 race, to outsiders, ‘stay out; it’s none of your business.’


13 posted on 10/31/2009 5:28:22 AM PDT by TomGuy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Halfmanhalfamazing
I believe the GOP is become liberal lite and is run by elitist liberal fools and is populated by liberals also and the conservative third party is the only way to bring about a return to conservatism.
It is as simple as the barrel of rotten apples story and yet the professed wise are blind to simple facts.
17 posted on 10/31/2009 5:39:37 AM PDT by kindred (In the beginning, God created the heavens in the earth. Jesus is God our Saviour.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Halfmanhalfamazing
Doesn't matter if he ran as a third party candidate...when he gets elected he will still be a Republican congressman for them to have to deal with.
18 posted on 10/31/2009 5:41:39 AM PDT by capt. norm (Never underestimate the power of very stupid people in large groups.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Halfmanhalfamazing
I believe conservatives should try to take back the GOP but this is one exception to the rule. If you can't tell the difference between a republican and a democrat it's time to go rogue. Maybe the GOP will get the message.
21 posted on 10/31/2009 5:44:02 AM PDT by McGruff (We're Going Rogue Baby!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Had there been a primary fight, Hoffman would have likely defeated Scozzafava and we wouldn’t even be talking about this.


That remains to be seen. True there was no primary and the candidate was selected via the proportional vote of the 11 county GOP chairs who had input from their committees. Only three of the nine wannabes got votes:
Scozzafava .. 48%
Doheny .. 23&
Maroun .. 27%
Other 6 .. 0%

In a primary with a large field depending upon how many of the nine got in it would appear to me that Doheny and Maroun would have been the most likely to defeat Scozzafava if it would have been possible.


25 posted on 10/31/2009 6:47:02 AM PDT by deport
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Maybe he used to be a Republican, but the party left him so he was forced to run under the Conservative Party.


27 posted on 10/31/2009 8:35:41 AM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Hoffman may win (and that’s still to be seen) and he may conference with the repubs, but when that interim seat comes up for election in 2012 you can be sure the local GOP will pick a new candidate (probably one of the 2 that lost to Scozzfava) and put in enough money to make sure he is soundly defeated.

Political parties don’t like traitors. Hoffman may be the obvious conservative candidate compared to Scozzafava but that mistake won’t happen again and Hoffman will be crushed in 2012 and all his vocal supporters on this site will no where to be found.


29 posted on 10/31/2009 9:44:15 AM PDT by Bob J ("For every 1000 hacking at the branches of evil, one strikes at it's root.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Halfmanhalfamazing

It is a third party victory, and one which says that when the Republicans run social liberals, conservatives will run against them as third party candidates.


35 posted on 10/31/2009 8:03:23 PM PDT by Z in Washington
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Competition is good.


39 posted on 11/01/2009 6:07:17 PM PST by mysterio
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson