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"I will NOT call for violent actions, but I sure have no hesitation in predicting that violent action is the natural result of no access to peaceful solutions. The people are tirelessly, relentlessly and patiently hoping that some court somewhere will rise to the duty of their oath to protect the Constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic, before the people themselves have to rise in defense of their beloved country.

If the courts continue to run interference of Obama & Co., I predict it will be a grave error of enormous proportions...

In the end, citizens of this country will demand freedom and a constitutional government. They will seek peaceful solutions first, but when all else fails, they will once again arise to the call of duty, in defense of the greatest nation ever known to mankind. For freedom to exist anywhere on earth, it must exist in the United States of America.

I sincerely pray for wisdom in the courts, before the people run out of patience.

The "birthers" aren't crazy. They're right! The Constitution either means what it says or it means nothing at all. If it means nothing at all, then the people are on their own and the time to alter or abolish has arrived."

1 posted on 10/14/2009 9:50:06 PM PDT by kellynla
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To: kellynla
"What had "birthers" done that was so over the top? They asked to see Barack Obama's birth certificate, and to date, they have been denied that "crazy" request. In fact, multiple law suits have been filed across the country in numerous forms, simply seeking access to Obama's personal history, and most recently, a judge has fined one of those attorney's $20,000 for "filing frivolous law suits" on the matter."

Nope. Pretty much got all this wrong.

2 posted on 10/14/2009 9:54:11 PM PDT by mlo
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To: kellynla

If someone were confused enough to be a “truther” and a “birther” would that make them a “two-fer”??


3 posted on 10/14/2009 9:55:45 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: LucyT; nufsed

~ping~

Just WoW


4 posted on 10/14/2009 9:57:48 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8 (I am Jim Thompson............................Please pray for our troops....)
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To: kellynla

crazy to ask somebody to have a birth certificate these days.


6 posted on 10/14/2009 9:59:12 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Fearing for the republic 24/7.)
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To: kellynla

In conclusion, P.A. Madison draws attention to Rep. John A. Bingham’s (OH) comments about Section 1992 of the Revised Statutes. Rep. Bingham is the author behind the equal protection clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.

“Every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.” (Cong. Globe, 39th, 1st Sess., 1291 (1866))

P.A. Madison provides context to Bingham’s definition.

Bingham subscribed to the same view as most everyone in Congress at the time that in order to be born a citizen of the United States one must be born within the allegiance of the Nation. To be born within the allegiance of the United States the parents, or more precisely, the father, must not owe allegiance to some other foreign sovereignty (remember the U.S. abandoned England’s “natural allegiance” doctrine). This of course, explains why emphasis of not owing allegiance to anyone else was the affect of being subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.

http://www.worldandi.com/subscribers/feature_detail.asp?num=26823


13 posted on 10/14/2009 10:06:03 PM PDT by plenipotentiary (Obama was a BRITISH SUBJECT at birth, passed to him via Pops, can't be NBC)
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To: kellynla

“We know that he traveled to Pakistan, among other places in the Middle East, during his college years, and that he did NOT hold a US passport at that time.”

If Obama has not opened his passport files, how is it they know that he did not hold a US Passport when he went to Pakistan?


15 posted on 10/14/2009 10:10:30 PM PDT by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: kellynla

I’m one of those “crazy birthers”, but I disagree with some of the article that I skimmed through.

The fact that Obama’s dad wasn’t a citizen doesn’t affect his NBC status. If that were the case, we’d have to go back and dredge up records on the fathers of all Presidential candidates, something we just have never done.

However, Obama’s birthplace very much affects his NBC status. He had to have been born on “U.S. Soil”. This includes / included the Panama Canal Zone (U.S. property at the time of McCain’s birth there), Embassies, and possibly overseas Armed Forces Bases.

The two issues come together to determine Obama’s citizenship status at birth. If he was born in Hawaii, he’s a citizen, and a natural born one, no matter what. If born in Kenya, it appears he wouldn’t have been a citizen due to some funky rules about how long the one citizen parent (Stanley, his mom (oh brother, no wonder he’s such a goof)) had to have not traveled out of the US past her (?) 18th birthday.

What a mess. The biggest part of the mess is that nobody in power in D.C. seems to give a rat’s ass. They’re just part of a statist culture that forgets they work for the U.S. citizens as specified in the Constitution, not the other way around.


16 posted on 10/14/2009 10:12:44 PM PDT by Yossarian
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To: kellynla

Every event will have its conspiracy theorists. It’s only the official government response to those theorists that fan the flames of their wacky conspiracies.

The US government acted unnecessarily secretive and shady after 9/11. If not for that, Truthers would make up 1/100 Americans instead of 1/4.

Likewise with Obama, if he just produced proper documents instead of forged documents, birthers would disappear.

If the EU didn’t silence any Holocaust deniers’ questions but instead address them, they would largely disappear.

Same thing with the Kennedy assassination.

Conspiracy theorists of these tragedies would largely be ignored if the governments involved would just be more open.


18 posted on 10/14/2009 10:15:35 PM PDT by ActrFshr
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To: kellynla

Look, if Obama were a Republican and not a natural born citizen, some Democrat would have already stolen the birth certificate and given it to the NY Times. Only stupid Republicans waste their time with futile legal means.


19 posted on 10/14/2009 10:20:55 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: kellynla
He is the ONLY president in US history to hide his entire past.

Hey Obama, who are you? Where is your Long Form Birth Certificate? Show us your bona fides. Why are they completely hidden? Why is everything in your past hidden? So far, we know nothing about you. Noone in college remembers you. To whom or what do you owe your Allegience? It's pretty obvious it's not to the United States of America. Are you a KGB Charm School Graduate? Is Soros pulling your strings? Is Putin?

27 posted on 10/14/2009 10:34:51 PM PDT by Art in Idaho
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To: kellynla; GeronL; trumandogz; The Invisible Hand; LucyT

ping to #26


30 posted on 10/14/2009 10:38:52 PM PDT by shibumi (" ..... then we will fight in the shade.")
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To: kellynla

Myself I have spent over a year digging into Obamas past, well before his goon squads sanized a lot of sources and well before the trolls invaded conservative forums sprinkling pacifying dust and I know the truth, I know when the truth gets twisted, torqued or changed about Obamas past, his associates, his linear direction in politics and most importantly foreign sources that support eveidence of his guided ambition through a remarkable chain of events to slip through loopholes of the election processes to be POTUS.

Birthers are patriots and no amount of Whitehouse stereotyping will convince me otherwise on this position, either we stand together or we fall divided on this issue.

This simple fact is a keystone to Obamas hastily shoddily erected tower of power. We as patriots must at the least not be swayed by fears of terroristic labeling by those that themselves are illegally in the position to issue such orders. Its right vs. wrong, its the right way to voice dissent.


47 posted on 10/15/2009 4:32:04 AM PDT by Eye of Unk ("If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace." T. Paine)
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To: Jim Robinson
I've only been around here going on 8 years and posted over 4,800 threads but since when are “editorials” & “extended news” considered “general/chat”?

Just asking...

49 posted on 10/15/2009 4:53:26 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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How Crazy are those Birthers?

Pretty darned crazy.

52 posted on 10/15/2009 6:14:16 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: kellynla

The first one to jump on you, NOT surprisingly, is one of the DoJ (Aporn) employee who is apparently on the night shift and is collecting full benefits from the usurper “administration.” This assignment is a 24/7 job!!!


53 posted on 10/15/2009 6:25:20 AM PDT by danamco
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To: kellynla

Oh boy! ( Whew!)

I wonder what the DOJ employed trolls will have to say about this? Fasten the seat belts!


56 posted on 10/15/2009 7:13:29 AM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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To: kellynla

Common Sense Bump! ;-)


57 posted on 10/15/2009 7:24:01 AM PDT by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here ;-)
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