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Navy moves to put women on submarines
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| RUSS BYNUM and PAULINE JELINEK
Posted on 10/13/2009 1:32:44 PM PDT by JoeProBono
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US Navy Woman Petty Officer with Gonads
Navy Petty Officer 1st Class Emily K. Klinefelter may be a woman and a sailor, but she wants people to know that she has seen combat firsthand and gone through a lot of the same experiences as her brethren in the ground forces.
To: JoeProBono
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posted on
10/13/2009 1:34:53 PM PDT
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americanophile
(Sarcasm: satirical wit depending for its effect on bitter, caustic, and often ironic language.)
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10/13/2009 1:38:22 PM PDT
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aliquando
(A Scout is T, L, H, F, C, K, O, C, T, B, C, and R.)
To: aliquando
Submarines aren’t like surface ships.
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10/13/2009 1:40:27 PM PDT
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massgopguy
(I owe everything to George Bailey)
To: JoeProBono
The headline, “Navy moves to”... implies it has been decided, not that it is under consideration.
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10/13/2009 1:45:17 PM PDT
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NEMDF
To: JoeProBono
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posted on
10/13/2009 1:51:04 PM PDT
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CCCnative
(waiting for socialism to fail in Santa Cruz as it did in Soviet Russia)
To: JoeProBono
The passageways on board the vessel are so narrow that crew members can barely squeeze by each other without touching.
Right there I can see a lot of sexual harassment cases.
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posted on
10/13/2009 1:55:20 PM PDT
by
Fred Hayek
(From this point forward the Democratic Party will be referred to as the Communist Party)
To: massgopguy
I served some time on ships with women. There is a lot of stuff that is covered up by the Navy. Affairs are very common and prostitution is kept very quite. While I was on one of the ships they busted 2 female sailors with large amounts of cash in their lockers. I remember one had over $6000 in cash (after only 7 weeks at sea). It was common knowledge among the enlisted and embarked Marines she was the one to see for recreational activities. The only punishment she got was confiscation of the money and no liberty when we made port calls. The Navy hides this due to pressure from the higher ups to make it look like it was the right decision.
To: massgopguy
You are quite right. A great understatement also. An attack or missle boat in combat is no place to test social theory. The reason a carrier can have women is because there is enough space to provide social privacy. There is NO privacy on a submarine as a design function of the extreme conditions under which it must operate. This is not the Air Force where everyone gets to go home after action. In wartime, the boats are committed to 3-4 months submerged- their purpose is to remain undetected and a deterrent force against enemy vessels. Here is an example of the kind of operational quiet that is observed: a submariner had an infection/need for surgery that could not be handled on board. Encoded messages set up a precise, timed rendevous off Iceland with a chopper. The chopper was on time, the sub was late, and took too long on the surface transferring the sailor, revealing it’s position. The sub’s captain was relieved of command for exposing a major part of our defense to attack. So, if you add in the particular screening of these submariners and mix in the two sexes in this kind of world—who, in fact, would serve— not the tough stable family men who make up the backbone of this elite service. What husband would want his wife serving with other men in such confined circumstances and what wife would want their husband to do so? The most important navies of the world have already tested this— and they do not do it.
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10/13/2009 2:03:55 PM PDT
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John S Mosby
(Sic Semper Tyrannis)
To: americanophile
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10/13/2009 2:04:53 PM PDT
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JoeProBono
(A closed mouth gathers no feet)
To: Angry_White_Man_Syndrome
The TV Show Carrier on PBS highlighted how some officers have to perform in the role of couples counselors when onboard affairs run amok.
As if the burden of officership wasn’t complex enough.
You cannot throw young men and women together in close quarters and not expect some fireworks.
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posted on
10/13/2009 2:06:23 PM PDT
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swarthyguy
(MEAT, the new tobacco. Your right to eat meat ends where my planetary ecosystem begins.)
To: JoeProBono
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posted on
10/13/2009 2:06:40 PM PDT
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bmwcyle
(We need more Joe Wilson's. OBAMA is ACORN ACORN is OBAMA)
To: CCCnative
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10/13/2009 2:07:43 PM PDT
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JoeProBono
(A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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10/13/2009 2:07:45 PM PDT
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trisham
(Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
To: bmwcyle
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posted on
10/13/2009 2:10:00 PM PDT
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JoeProBono
(A closed mouth gathers no feet)
To: JoeProBono
How often will the tubes be checked in the torpedo room?
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posted on
10/13/2009 2:10:33 PM PDT
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N. Theknow
(Kennedys: Can't fly, can't ski, can't drive, can't skipper a boat, but they know what's best.)
To: JoeProBono
This wasn’t even considered as an option under Bush Adminstration.
To: N. Theknow
I was thinking the same thing.
Gives new meaning to "Torpedo away!"
To: JoeProBono
So What, I see you never went to sea on a submarine.
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posted on
10/13/2009 2:33:21 PM PDT
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bmwcyle
(We need more Joe Wilson's. OBAMA is ACORN ACORN is OBAMA)
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10/13/2009 2:35:21 PM PDT
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JoeProBono
(A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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