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Real Tsunami May Have Inspired Legend of Atlantis
LiveScience ^ | 09 Oct 2009 | Charles Q. Choi

Posted on 10/10/2009 8:07:16 AM PDT by BGHater

The volcanic explosion that obliterated much of the island that might have inspired the legend of Atlantis apparently triggered a tsunami that traveled hundreds of miles to reach as far as present-day Israel, scientists now suggest.

The new findings about this past tsunami could shed light on the destructive potential of future disasters, researchers added.

The islands that make up the small circular archipelago of Santorini, roughly 120 miles (200 km) southeast of Greece, are what remain of what once was a single island, before one of the largest volcanic eruptions in human antiquity shattered it in the Bronze Age some time between 1630 B.C. to 1550 B.C.

Speculation has abounded as to whether the Santorini eruption inspired the legend of Atlantis, which Plato said drowned in the ocean. Although the isle is often regarded as just an invention, the explosion might have given rise to the story of a lost empire by helping to wipe out the real-life Minoan civilization that once dominated the Mediterranean, from which the myth of the bull-headed 'minotaur' comes.

The primary means by which the eruption potentially wreaked havoc on the Minoan civilization is by the giant tsunami it would have triggered. However, the precise effects of this eruption and killer wave have been a mystery for decades.

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TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: akrotiri; atlantis; calliste; catastrophism; eberhardzangger; godsgravesglyphs; plato; santorini; thera; tsunami; volcano
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To: Little Bill

Heh... those who have a big woody about pushing back the date of the supposed super-eruption have made the problem even worse; used to be the conventional date for the sudden fall of the palatial civ on Crete was 70 years or so after the supposed eruption — now as you said it’s nearly 200. That chunk of pumice found in Egypt that had been used as a serving tray or something had been saddled on as evidence of the super-eruption of Thera — until it was actually studied and found to have come from an eruption of Kos 100s of 1000s of years ago. At that point it was cast aside, and just as Zangger pointed out, the delusional system was further strengthened by abandonment of yet another key piece of evidence. :’D


21 posted on 10/11/2009 7:00:32 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: SunkenCiv

As I mentioned years ago I used to correspond with Zangger but I also do due diligence, Ebbi may be a semi-loon at this point in time but he raises some questions.


22 posted on 10/11/2009 7:09:02 PM PDT by Little Bill (Carol Che-Porter is a MOONBAT.)
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To: Little Bill
The World Question Center 2004
Zangger's First Law
Most scientific breakthroughs are nothing else than the discovery of the obvious.
Zangger's Second Law
Truly great science is always ahead of its time.

Although there seems to be a slight contradiction in my laws, historical evidence proves them right:Scientific breakthroughs will always be held hostage to the lag needed to overcome existing beliefs. Lucius Annaeus Seneca realized this already two thousand years ago, when he said: "The time will come, when our successors will be surprised that we did not know such obvious things."
23 posted on 10/11/2009 8:18:57 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Little Bill; SunkenCiv
Why did the Critas break off when Plato started to repeat the ILIAD.

Yes, it was if Plato realized he was repeated the Iliad as the story of Troy.

24 posted on 10/12/2009 7:05:09 AM PDT by Nikas777 (En touto nika, "In this, be victorious")
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To: KamperKen; BGHater; SunkenCiv
I read Graham Hancock’s book “Underworld” a couple of years ago...

I just posted a review of Hancock's "UNderworld" last week or so: UNDERWORLD - Graham Hancock The thesis of Hancock's is that during near the end of the Ice Age there arose an advanced stone age coastal civilization - not advanced like they had cars or lasers but advanced like the Egyptians and when the great melt happened this far flung coastal civilization/empire was drowned giving rise to the Atlantis myth and other flood myths with the survivors of the coastal flood moving inland to be among the less advanced humans of the inner continents who viewed the more advances coastal dwellers as gods or near gods. What survived are racial memories and some passed down knowledge turned to myth and legends and for the most part real evidence for this civilization is buried under the seas.

25 posted on 10/12/2009 7:13:32 AM PDT by Nikas777 (En touto nika, "In this, be victorious")
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To: SunkenCiv

I read the Structure of Scientific Breakthroughs quite some time ago, but recall it making the same point. Seems to me a fair number of present day scientists may look silly in the future, especially those on the global warming bandwagon.


26 posted on 10/12/2009 10:30:11 AM PDT by colorado tanker (I humbly accept this award of Hero of the Russian Federation)
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To: SunkenCiv
Looking at the premise of recognizing the obvious is an interesting observation.

A few years ago I was doing some in depth reading on Byzantium. One of the authors mentioned that one of the reasons that the loss of Crete impeded Byzantine naval power projection was because of the currents in Aegean Sea made it easier to sail from Cyprus to Crete to the home ports in Greece, Anatola and Byzantium. I filed that away Awhile later I was rereading Jason and the Argonauts I plotted the place names mentioned in the story to a current chart, and I was rather surprised that the Author was pretty much on target.

27 posted on 10/12/2009 9:27:01 PM PDT by Little Bill (Carol Che-Porter is a MOONBAT.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Im an ingoranty type of way below layman on sciency stuffs...

But, it’s always seemed to me that science is as much about cult of personality dominance in the academic/social relevant circles, as it is about actually proving or disproving things.

Seems to me that some of that is actually a good thing. Gotta have solid baselines and heavy scrutiny going on, or everything would always be in uber flux on the science front.


28 posted on 10/12/2009 9:47:55 PM PDT by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: Little Bill

Thanks LB.


29 posted on 10/13/2009 6:49:19 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Grimmy

There aren’t any. :’)


30 posted on 10/13/2009 6:49:38 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Nikas777
That's Zangger's take on the Atlantis legend. His book about it is way out of print, but he revisits it in The Future of the Past: Archaeology in the 21st Century. Here's a review of the German edition of the earlier book:
Ein neuer Kampf um Troia: Archäologie in der Krise
reviewed by Edmund F. Bloedow
Bryn Mawr Classical Review 95.02.18
Ein neuer Kampf um Troia: Archäologie in der Krise by Eberhard Zangger
In such a wide-ranging study, however, one can scarcely expect one individual to be able to assess all the primary evidence. Indeed, it soon becomes evident that Z.'s conclusions are based almost exclusively on secondary, and at times even tertiary, sources. And by casting his net very wide, he hauls in a multifarious medley, whose quality varies enormously. For instance, he brings to the debate for the first time, in particular, Plato's Timaeus and Critias, as well as Dictys Cretensis and Dares Phrygius, and other Mediaeval Homeric 'romances' (68-74). For Z., the accounts of the Sea Peoples, contemporary documents, the Homeric epics, ancient authors, legends, extra-Homeric literature, all compete essentially on a level playing field: broadly speaking, they can all be approached as "half true and half untrue" (74-75).

31 posted on 10/13/2009 7:10:09 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: colorado tanker

:’) Definitely.


32 posted on 10/13/2009 7:12:47 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Kandy Atz
If you ever get the chance to travel to Greece, I would highly recommend some island hopping including a stop at Santorini.

And don't forget to eat at Señor Zorba's.

33 posted on 10/13/2009 7:15:25 PM PDT by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: BGHater

Atlantis is one of the more intriguing myths/legends. I actually have no problem believing that there was some such civilization at some far point in history, wiped out by some eruption or other cataclysm.

Where Plato is short on description that really helps nail down the location, the thing I find most interesting is how his narrative is somewhat cavalier about the basic fact of the existence and history of such a place. As if it was common enough knowledge at the time that it didn’t really need much in the way of explanation.

I have little doubt that there have been obscure city-states in the various parts of the world that rose and fell over hundreds or even thousands of years that we still have no idea were ever there.

If only the library at Alexandria had survived intact. How much more history would we have some idea about? There’s just no knowing.


34 posted on 10/13/2009 7:25:25 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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