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To: abb
This noble action enjoyed worldwide attention in the media . . .

Including the New York Times. Read all about it tomorrow.

And haven't we established that Admiral Scheer was not in the Atlantic at this time and that it was Graf Spee which sank Clement (See image #7)?

10 posted on 10/04/2009 6:31:25 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
And haven't we established that Admiral Scheer was not in the Atlantic at this time and that it was Graf Spee which sank Clement (See image #7)?

That is correct. The Spee and the Scheer were very similar in silhouette, so such a mistake is understandable. And, IIRC, the Kriegsmarine was deliberately trying to confuse which ships were where, even to the extent of sending fake radio traffic. It's been a while since I've read Dudley Pope's book, so I'm not for sure about that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_pocket_battleship_Admiral_Scheer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_pocket_battleship_Admiral_Graf_Spee

14 posted on 10/04/2009 6:44:07 AM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

Yes! Found it!

http://books.google.com/books?id=EIyI8rRlJmEC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_navlinks_s#v=onepage&q=&f=false

page 35

page 39


16 posted on 10/04/2009 6:59:34 AM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

Pepsi was still promoting health benefits. I know they stopped that by the 50’s.


17 posted on 10/04/2009 7:12:24 AM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (He said red, yellow, black or white, All are equal in his sight, Mmm, mmm, mm!, Barack Hussein Obama)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

Another point about “commerce raiding” by surface ships. The Scheer, Lutzow and Spee were designed for that role. Other ships were sent out also, notably the Scharnhorst and Gneisenau. But Hitler was afraid to risk them very much, because the prospect of them being sunk would be a propaganda coup for Churchill.

So the money and men spent on the surface ships would have been more effective if Hitler had built more U-boats instead.

It could very well have been decisive. Churchill always said he was more afraid of the U-boat menace than anything else.


18 posted on 10/04/2009 7:16:46 AM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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