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To: 1010RD; PzLdr
PzLdr: "the Soviet Communists, and the National Socialists of Germany... They’re both leftists."

1010RD: "We just need that to go viral starting with kindergartners all the way through 40-somethings."

Our basic problems come from definitions of the word "conservative."

In America, "conservative" means someone who wants to "conserve" or "preserve" the original intent of the US Constitution and our Founders. This makes us small-government, small-r republicans who, under some circumstances can seem almost "isolationists."

In Europe, by contrast, "conservative" meant (and often today means) something altogether different -- someone who wants to "conserve" or "preserve" the old monarchical traditions of state control and foreign conquests. In other words, an entirely different animal.

So the Nazis -- National Socialists! -- claimed to be "right wing" based on their supposed adherence to "traditional values," but these were in no way the values of American conservatives, just the opposite.

Our own left-wingers, of course, just love to confuse and conflate American and European ideas of "conservatism," and so paint Nazis as "right-wing conservatives" just the same as, oh say, WWII era isolationist Senator Robert Taft, or for a modern example, say, Congressman Ron Paul. Nothing could be further from the truth.

But what could "truth" matter to government school teachers, when the real issue to them is, how to turn all these little minds into loyal leftists?

14 posted on 10/02/2009 8:59:58 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: BroJoeK
The Nazis’ philosophy was collectivist, with class distinction being obliterated by race. And the National Socialists never claimed to be ‘right wing’. They saw themselves as men of the left, albeit not men of the Marxist ‘workers of the world’ left. They were only interested in the workers of Germany.

Nor did they adhere to traditional values. Hitler believed Jesus was the offspring of a Roman soldier, and a Jewish harlot. Himmler was closer to outright paganism. All were vehemently anticlerical [Hitler planned to settle up with the Churches after the war]. They didn't believe in the institution of marriage [Himmler encouraged illegitimate offspring from his SS men, and set up the Lebensborn system to provide for the children].

Hitler intended to destroy the old German society, and to create a new one. The Nazis were true radicals. There was nothing conservative about them.

15 posted on 10/02/2009 9:17:19 AM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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