Saami not descended from Swedish Hunter-Gathers

Science blogs ^ | 24 Sep 2009 | Razib Khan

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The Classic Ofelas movie.

And the adaptation.

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Rene ping.

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[blam]

Pinging the other FReeper Sa'ami.

My mtDNA is 'V' as are 52% of the Skolt Sami

[blam]

Where Do The Finns Come From?

Sydaby ^ | Christian Carpelan

Not long ago, cytogenetic experts stirred up a controversy with their "ground-breaking" findings on the origins of the Finnish and Sami peoples. Cytogenetics is by no means a new tool in bioanthropological research, however. As early as the 1960s and '70s, Finnish researchers made the significant discovery that one quarter of the Finns' genetic stock is Siberian, and three quarters is European in origin. The Samis, however, are of different genetic stock: a mixture of distinctly western, but also eastern elements. If we examine the genetic links between the peoples of Europe, the Samis form a separate group unto themselves, and other Uralic peoples, too have a distinctive genetic profile.

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[blam]

"The Saami are of interest because of their cultural and genetic uniqueness. They, and to a lesser extent Finns, have very high frequencies of mtDNA haplogroup U5, which is generally associated with the first modern human settlers of Europe.

9,000 year old Cheddar Man has mtDNA U5a as does my dad's mother, Mrs Smith.

[muawiyah]

Interesting article.

BTW, just picked up another thing Skolt have to worry about ~ this dates from our history of being serious seal hunters ~ B12 deficiency.

Worth getting a blood test for it.

[blam]

"Worth getting a blood test for it."

Thanks, I'll do that.

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

Darn! My father’s folks came from northern Finland, near Tornio. Now my doctor has me taking 1000 mcgms of B~12 daily. Coincidence!?

[muawiyah]

Lack of seal meat in the diet PLUS if you're taking Metaformin it can reduce the production of "intrinsic factor" in your stomach lining and without that your intestines cannot absorb B12.

The pills (sublingual) allow you to bypass the gut to get the B12 "inside". Fortunately you don't need much of it. They used to give shots of this stuff once a month and some genius figured out how to make it taste like cherry juice.

Regarding Finland, they have racially different groups there. First you have your Skolt, Northern and Inari Sa'ami. Then there are people like the Pomars, then the Swedes, then the guys who call themselves Finns but are like Estonians (Suomi?). There are some others ~ there would be some Samoyads around more than likely, and finally there are immigrants from the deep souf'.

Recently the Swedes discovered Arabic and Middle Eastern immigrants appear to have a very low birthrate these days ~ it's possible their haplogroups simply don't breed well in the North. A thought along that line is that the two most common haplogroups found among Europeans and Middle Easterners are NOT found among the Sa'ami or the Saudi Arabians. Then, in India it was just discovered there are only two main lines of people ~ those who have haplogroups common among Middle Eastern Persian types and those who have haplogroups common among the Andaman Islanders. Obvious question is what happened to the others?

We all may well be designed for specific habitats. If so, and considering this place doesn't get 45 days of continual night (for example), or even 1 day for that matter, we may all be living outside our range, eating food not good for us, and suffering all the ills that befell critters who stray from their natural range.

I was just reading many restaurants in Canada are now adding seal meat to their menus. May take a visit up there!

[muawiyah]

Got snaggly, turned or missing teeth? The Finns and Swedes in a comprehensive dental study discovered that Skolt Sa'ami may naturally have some missing teeth. Turns out that by adulthood 18.5% of Skolt are missing one or more adult teeth, and most of them have less than four Wisdom teeth.

What happens is they have some deciduous teeth that don't have an adult tooth form under them and push it out.

All of that answers lots of questions around here ~ can't think of a family member without some problem like that.

The really big discovery is that today's Skolt Sa'ami clearly have larger teeth than their ancestors 200 years back. Their tooth size, if not that of other people, reflects diet. You'd think guys eating lots of reindeer would have plenty of calcium, but they did not, until recently, have the same access as others to plants.

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[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

TOO COLDDDDD UP THERE!!

[Hawthorn]

>> Pinging the other FReeper Sa’ami <<

Well, I’m a U5b — so I guess there now should be three of us Lapps on your list!

[muawiyah]

At least that. There are many people descended from the various Sa'ami tribes who do not have Mitochondrial or Y-Chromosome genetic information. On the other hand there are some genetic anomalies that pretty well give them their true identity.

[miliantnutcase]

Good point about habit. I find it interesting that so many Scandinavian immigrants settled in MN. ancestry on both sides of me goes back to Sweden and Norway (not too long ago). I find I am highly adaptable to temperature. I’m never too hot or too cold it seems. The super dry and cracked skin on my hands during winter also seems to be a Scandinavian trait.
Although, no Saami history appears in my records were all blonde and red heads.

[muawiyah]

I do believe there's been some mixin' goin' on since the 900s. Plus, the whaling industry took Sa'ami men into every nook and cranny of the world ~

You also need a rather "perfectly round" head. The Sa'ami, through the forces of random chance, are going through a "round head" cycle these days.

As far as "climate range" is concerned, I definitely think that's a very real factor.

[muawiyah]

Just reading through an old thread ~ issue was snaggly, turned or missing teeth.

This weekend Tiger Woods' wife was featured in the news (much to her distress). So, there were a lot of "other than posed" pictures floating around.

I could not help but notice that she had an "uneven bite" and out of 10 teeth showing, 5 were slightly turned.

Her family are from a Sa'ami region in Northern Sweden.

It is possible American Sa'ami keep more than their fair share of orthodontists in business!

[muawiyah]

Just reading through an old thread ~ issue was snaggly, turned or missing teeth.

This weekend Tiger Woods' wife was featured in the news (much to her distress). So, there were a lot of "other than posed" pictures floating around.

I could not help but notice that she had an "uneven bite" and out of 10 teeth showing, 5 were slightly turned.

Her family are from a Sa'ami region in Northern Sweden.

It is possible American Sa'ami keep more than their fair share of orthodontists in business!

[21twelve]

All of my granparents were from Norway - and we’ve traced it back 500+ years (all Norwegians).

But, my one grandfather had very dark features. Olive/brown skin, brown eyes, brown hair. My dad figured it must have been some genes left over from a Viking raid to the Mediterranian.

Later my dad was on a trip to Norway and finally made it way up north and visited the Saami and figured it out! One of the relatives lives in a nice house near the coast, but took him to visit where his herd was. Living out of tents, etc.

My dad asked him how many reindeer he had. The relative replied “only if you tell me how much money you have in the bank” :)