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DUTCH AND BELGIANS OPEN DIKES, SEEING THREAT IN GERMAN MOVES (9/23/39)
Microfiche-New York Times archives, McHenry Library, U.C. Santa Cruz | 9/23/39 | G. H. Archambault, Stefan Starzynski, Percy Knauth, G.E.R. Gedye, Eugen Kovacs

Posted on 09/23/2009 4:53:50 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson

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TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: milhist; realtime; worldwarii
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Free Republic University, Department of History presents World War II Plus 70 Years: Seminar and Discussion Forum
First session: September 1, 2009. Last date to add: September 2, 2015.
Reading assignment: New York Times articles delivered daily to students on the 70th anniversary of original publication date. (Previously posted articles can be found by searching on keyword “realtime”.)
To add this class to or drop it from your schedule notify Admissions and Records (Attn: Homer_J_Simpson) by freepmail. Those on the Realtime +/- 70 Years ping list are automatically enrolled. Course description, prerequisites and tuition information is available at the bottom of Homer’s profile.
1 posted on 09/23/2009 4:53:51 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson
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To: Homer_J_Simpson


Winston S. Churchill, The Gathering Storm

2 posted on 09/23/2009 4:55:12 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
Chopin’s Polonaise in A, Op.40 No.1, ' Military '
3 posted on 09/23/2009 4:55:41 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: r9etb; PzLdr; dfwgator; Paisan; From many - one.; rockinqsranch; GRRRRR; 2banana; henkster; ...
The International Situation – 2
Allies’ Flank Aided – 2-4
Incidents in European Conflict – 3
Netherlands Arms to Save Neutrality – 4
German Casualties in East Put at 150,000; French Stress Reich Economic Loss in West – 5
No Elections During War, Britain’s Parties Agree – 5
Mayor of Warsaw Describes Slaughter Of Civilians and Destruction of Capital – 7
Big Slice to Soviet – 8-10
Hitler Looks at Warsaw During Tour With Troops – 11
Scores Executed in Rumanian Plot – 13-14
4 posted on 09/23/2009 4:56:38 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

Please add me to your ping list. Thanks!


5 posted on 09/23/2009 4:58:44 AM PDT by rdl6989
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

The interesting part was that the opening of the dikes in Belgium and the Netherlands would have worked if they had fought a World War I-style invasion. Problem was, the Germans were developing the use of airborne forces using paratroopers and gliders, which made the flooding of land as a defensive barrier effectively uselsss.


6 posted on 09/23/2009 5:32:39 AM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
Fascinating.

The New York Times reporting the news.

The more I read your posts, the more I'm convinced that Bush avoided a larger war by taking Saddam out.

7 posted on 09/23/2009 6:13:59 AM PDT by kidd (Obama: The triumph of hope over evidence)
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I note with interest that Romanian group execution of the Iron Guard traitors foreshadows the treatment given to the odious Ceaucescus 50 years later. Public exhibition of the bodies of the dead makes a strong statement.

Thus my username.


8 posted on 09/23/2009 6:24:47 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism - "Who-whom?")
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MY DAY

By Eleanor Roosevelt

DELAVAN, Ill., Friday—We reached Carbondale, Ill., at about four o'clock yesterday afternoon and I did not expect much time to see the countryside. However, the National Youth administrator told me there was a small resident project he would like to show me, so I sallied forth with two very kind and enthusiastic young men as guides.

The fact that Illinois has risen to fifth place among oil-producing states has made a considerable change in the outlook of the people, but it does not seem to have changed greatly the fact that the farming population and mining population in this section are at a very low ebb. One of the counties near Carbondale has the greatest number of people on relief in any one county in the United States.

Most of the young men in the Youth Administration project are boys who never had an opportunity for acquiring any work skill or getting into any job which was more than a temporary day-laborer type of occupation. They are teaching some subsistence farming on this project which, from observation from the train window, I should say is very necessary. How to grow a garden, how to get as much of one's living as possible out of a small acreage, would be very valuable to miners whose work is seasonal. In any case, even when all the mines are open these boys are also given training in auto-mechanics, electrical wiring, woodworking and iron work.

They have the advantage of being near a State Teachers' college which is cooperating in every way. This college also has a large number of NYA students and has found them a valuable addition. The town itself has many monuments to WPA work—a paved and widened main street, a fine armory and several other lasting improvements. The Business Men's club seems to cooperate in all this work and has donated the land on which the new buildings are situated.

I drove through the college grounds and out to the Crab Orchard Lake project. This is a PWA project and has employed a good many persons. Flood control is evidently much needed and the possibility of creating power through a series of these projects might mean a good deal to the development of the area. There are, of course, some natural objections. People will lose their land when the lake is filled up and they do not like the countryside inundated.

It would be impossible for me to pass any judgment on their complaints, but I feel sure that careful consideration was given to them before the work was undertaken.

To our great joy Mrs. Helm drove over from Grayville, Ill., and joined us in Carbondale for a few hours. As we had received several envelopes of mail from Washington, we immediately put her to work folding and stamping letters, so she felt as though she had settled down to work a few weeks too early. We are now in Delavan, Ill., where I give a lecture tonight.

E.R.

http://www.gwu.edu/~erpapers/myday/displaydoc.cfm?_y=1939&_f=md055379

9 posted on 09/23/2009 8:02:39 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: IncPen

ping


10 posted on 09/23/2009 8:13:04 AM PDT by Nailbiter
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

“German Casualties in East Put at 150,000”

Polish propoganda? The over-reaching of the Times Correspondents? Or just the wishful thinking of the Times Editors?

The German Army suffered a total of 8,082 officers and men killed, 27,278 wounded, and 5,029 missing in its 36 days of operations in Poland.

The Germans took 694,000 prisoners of war, out of some 800,000 who had served in Poland’s defense. By their own count, they captured a total of 3,214 field pieces, 16,500 machine guns, 1,700 mortars, and enormous quantities of small arms and ammunition.


11 posted on 09/23/2009 9:08:58 AM PDT by tcrlaf ("Hope" is the most Evil of all Evils"-Neitzsche)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

Romania is one of my least studied areas of this time; I’d like a referral to any really good materials about how events transpired there.

What I am led to believe:

Everybody had designs on Romania of one sort or another, and she was pretty much manipulated as a pawn. Romania was large and relatively agrarian, but possessed significant resources such as grain and oil, and had strategic location at the mouth of the Danube between Germany and the USSR. The Soviets coveted Bessarabia/Moldavia and the Germans coveted her oil, grain and later her peasant infantry. The British were even players for a while, trying to prop her up as an eastern bulwark against Germany.

It will be interesting to see how things play out for Romania in the coming months. The Brits will never be in serious contention because their “guarantee” to Romania was as worthless as that offered Poland. Once France fell, the offer was even less than worthless. Germany already gave the USSR a green light regarding Moldavia, and the Romanians had every justifiable fear of Stalin’s Red Army as did Poland.

That left Nazi Germany as the only acceptable “suitor” by default, and Romania became an axis co-belligerent. This despite the fact Germany appears to have had a hand in the Iron Guard coup, that Germany “gave” a slice of her land to the USSR, and despite Ribbentrop’s “Vienna Award” giving Transylvania to the hated Hungarians. Further, during the war with Russia, the Germans expected the Romanian peasant infantry to march deep into the Soviet Union and fight the Red Army, despite German industry’s unwillingness or inability to equip the Romanians with any modern weapons. The Germans then treated the Romanians like red-headed step-children for failing to stand up to the Red Army T-34 tanks with obsolete 37mm antitank guns and a few broken-down Czech T-38 tanks. They were weapons that every Russian, German and Romanian soldier knew were crap.

Such became the fate of Romania, and it appears to be a fascinating story about which a lot more could be learned.


12 posted on 09/23/2009 9:13:41 AM PDT by henkster (0bamanomics: The "Final Solution" to America's "Prosperity Question.")
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Romania is one of my least studied areas of this time; I’d like a referral to any really good materials about how events transpired there.

I will defer to the ping list on that one. I know more about the subject now than I did before reading your post.

You are either getting really good at one-handed typing or you are making progress in your rehab. I hope the latter.

13 posted on 09/23/2009 9:23:21 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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Not so much of the latter...yet. It was the former and it’s agonizing. I’m pretty much done for the day...


14 posted on 09/23/2009 9:33:13 AM PDT by henkster (0bamanomics: The "Final Solution" to America's "Prosperity Question.")
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http://www.onwar.com/chrono/1939/sep39/f23sep39.htm

Saturday, September 23, 1939

Germans claim Poland defeated

In Berlin... The German government issues a statement claiming that all organized fighting in Poland has ended. It states “The Polish Army of a million men has been defeated, captured, or routed. No single Polish active or reserve division escaped this fate. Only fractions of individual groups were able to avoid immediate destruction by fleeing into the swamps of eastern Poland. They succumbed there to Soviet troops. Of the entire Polish army only an insignificant remainder still is fighting at hopeless positions in Warsaw, in Modlin and on the Hela Peninsula.”

In Germany... Wireless sets are confiscated from all Jews.

On the Western Front... German forces are reported to be counterattacking with no success.

In Rome... Mussolini restates the Italian intention to remain neutral unless attacked, following a policy to “strengthen our army in preparation for any eventualities and support every possible peace effort while working in silence.” He also suggests that the “liquidation” of Poland presents an opportunity for a European peace settlement.

In Poland... In Warsaw, food supplies are running out although the determination to resist remains among the Polish garrison surrounded in the city.

In the North Atlantic... Two Finnish steamers carrying cellulose are sunk by German submarine forces.

In Panama... American states agree to a 300-mile (480 km) neutral zone off the coast of the the Americas.
In Tokyo... Admiral Nomura becomes foreign minister in General Abe’s recently appointed government. Between now and their fall in January 1940, some conciliatory moves are made toward the United States. These are not reciprocated and this strengthens the beliefs and standing of the more bellicose Japanese politicians.

In Britain... Sigmund Freud, the famed Austrian psychoanalyst, dies at 83 years of age.


15 posted on 09/23/2009 9:40:18 AM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in thehttp://www.start news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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I need to see about getting my tardy slip signed.

My apologies to the class - the bass have been biting the past few mornings...


16 posted on 09/23/2009 9:41:54 AM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in thehttp://www.start news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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Germans claim Poland defeated
On the Western Front... German forces are reported to be counterattacking with no success.
In Britain... Sigmund Freud, the famed Austrian psychoanalyst, dies at 83 years of age.

These stories and more in tomorrow's issue of the Sunday New York Times.

17 posted on 09/23/2009 10:21:40 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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I need to see about getting my tardy slip signed.

Can you get a note from your, um, bait vendor or something?

Just to make sure you weren't working or engaging in some other unauthorized activity.

18 posted on 09/23/2009 10:27:17 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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http://www.basspro.com/homepage.html


19 posted on 09/23/2009 10:42:56 AM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in thehttp://www.start news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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They sure as hell didn’t lose 600 planes.


20 posted on 09/23/2009 11:03:25 AM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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