Nordyke Birth Certs are BEST courtroom evidence !

[rocco55]

As much as I admire ALL of the relentless attorneys representing the "birther" (more correctly referred to as the "truther") movement, I am wondering why the most credible documents are not being presented as evidence in these suits.

Presenting unsubstantiated documents obtained from overseas sources only affords the opposition the right to reject the claims being set forth as these docs cannot be verified in a timely manner. Additionally, should any of these documents prove to be invalid, it not only damages the credibility of the Plaintiffs, but more importantly, allows the ultra-liberal media (our biggest enemy) to accuse the 'birthers' of being a mob of unorganized extremists who cannot even obtain factual documents (not that the 'left' as produced any valid docs, mind you , but the media ONLY addresses our faults, in case you haven't noticed). Consequently, it behooves us to present a case with valid evidence. The photos and interview with the Nordyke mom is not a matter in dispute. She proudly displayed her twin daughters' birth certs and even posted a "close-up" of a long from Hawaiian birth cert from Aug 5, 1961. It doesn't get any better than that ! And obviously, these priceless docs do not need to be obtained through court approved discovery.

However, in watching Orly's last interview (posted Sept 18 at 9:41 PM) with CNBC's voracious and vicious host, Dylan Ratigan, this manipulative host both monopolized the interview and limited what she was able to state.

Any guest should be EXTREMELY well-prepared in such an interview knowing the time to state his/her case is precious and is subject to being cut off at less than a moment's notice.

Consequently, in my opinion, had she simply held up a copy of the Nordyke full form BC, she could've simply opened her case with that doc and then showed the BO short form doc and then followed it up with the letter purported signed by BO from 1/24/09 stating that his birthplace was this same Kap'olani Medical Center for Women and Children as these twins.

"We have 'this' (hold up BO's short form), we need to see 'this' (hold up long form)...if BO was born in HI as he claims, we want to see 'this ' (long form), not 'this' (short form). Nice and simple !

Obviously, the venomous dribbling troll-host-of-toast would've said that the short form is sufficient (as they always do), but a rebuttal requesting the name of hospital, lack of signatures, etc., could not have gone unanswered had it been addressed as the FIRST course of business. But since the hospital name, lack of signatures was presented at the end of the interview, it gave the host the opportunity to just cut her off abruptly and get in the last word. Overall she did OK, but wouldn't it be nice to see an interview end in a full, or even semi-victory, leaving the audience to ponder the case of the 'right', for once ?

This same scenario has played out in recent suits. Since Judge Clay Land, rejected the Kenyan BC, the question remains, how could he reject an "actual" long form Hawaiian BC (Nordyke's) if it was entered as Orly's FIRST exhibit ? He couldn't ! "Your honor, evidence is the key to settling ANY case. I hereby request that we obtain a simple document like this (Nordyke) to arrive at a supportable conclusion in this case." Maybe that sounds overly simplistic, but supplying these overseas docs hasn't worked, and since NO ONE has stepped forward to validate the authenticity of Lucas Smith's BC, why not supply a BC that is REAL, undisputed and just happens to be dated August 5th, 1961 !

Maybe my proposal is too pragmatic, but presenting two docs in front of a judge (NEITHER of which the Defendants can legitimately object to) and saying "We have this (short form) and we need to see this (long form)" seems like a more convincing angle at this crucial and pivotal juncture in "birthermania".

What better evidence than two babies (who apparently attended grade school with Barry in HI) born THE DAY AFTER Obama possibly in the same hospital ! This middle class mother has openly published her children's long form Hawaiian birth certificates to the ENTIRE WORLD in a proud display that her children may have been born in the same facility as our first historical black President and now the leader of this new 'transparent' administration cannot do the same to show his nation that he meets a Constitutional requirement to be our Commander in Chief ?

And to go to the extreme of having legal representation to insure his same vital records remain hidden while a middle class mother holds hers in front a camera with a smile on her face ?

I cannot help but think that the irony of such statements in a court of law would serve to make the defendants shrink in their seats !

"HERE'S HERS ----WHERE'S YOURS ? "

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Link to Nordyke BC photos is here:

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105347

Link to BO letter from 1/24/2009 is here:

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=103633

Lastly, courtesy of FR member "mojitojoe" from a prior post:

"Why wasn’t the announcement for the Nordyke twins, born one day after Obama, in any of the papers in Hawaii. Microfilm was checked for a month after and there was nothing.

If these are automatically generated by the hospital and sent to the papers, why were the Nordyke twins missing? Perhaps the microfilm was tampered with and the Nordyke’s were removed and Obama inserted."

If true, this puts to bed the theory that BO "had to be born in HI because of the newspaper announcements". WRONG !

[RightInEastLansing]

I don’t doubt that Hawaii could produce the “vital” records, but can you still get a photo copy of your original birth certificate?

This is such a basic, essential question, yet I can’t seem to find the answer. Certainly someone has looked into this?

[Vendome]

I was one of the first to recognize the fake:

Here is my post:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2302840/posts?page=128#128

Though it looks like someone beat me by a few minutes

[rocco55]

ET, I have never seen any evidence that Maya was born in Indonesia (wouldn’t surprise me, though), have you ? I do have a copy of her marriage license stating that she was a resident of Indonesia when she became engaged, but I never saw document confirming that she was born in Indonesia ? Please advise. Thx !

[danamco]

According to a version of Obama’s purported short-form certificate available from FactCheck.org, Obama was given a higher registration number than the Nordyke twins. The online image indicates the number is No. 151 – 1961 – 10641, even though he was born Aug. 4, 1961, the day before the twins, and his birth was registered with the Hawaii registrar three days earlier, Aug. 8, 1961.

[danamco]

The “guy” who will unite the country, hello???

[rocco55]

Sinclair just “proved” two days ago that the signatures on Rhodes affidavit (explaining her inability to attend court) and this new letter do NOT match-—AT ALL ! It’s obvious when you look at them side by side.

Now Sinclair is doing a complete 180 on this ?

[danamco]

Since we FReepers are represented all over the country, we could do a lot trying to spread this BC issue by copy/paste Nordykes’ BCs and send it to all local newspapers and other news-media and viral to our address books???

[rocco55]

Yes, some say these numbers indicate fraud and others say hospital records are not always sequential (?)

All I know is that the Usurper is a FRAUD and the courts, thus far, have NOT addressed it...except Carter “might”.

Hope and pray!

[danamco]

The sister have had to apply the INS to be a naturalized U.S. citizen, and probably also her mother. The whole “family’s” history is sooooo shady that there must be other strong unknown gray area forces behind this total mess!!!

[machogirl]

wonder how “greg” feels now?
when he says in the video that “we called him Barry”, i want to ask, “what was his last name”?

[etraveler13]

http://www.kansasprairie.net/kansasprairieblog/?p=7020
Photo with Baby Maya and Barak in their home in Jakarta, Indonesia..

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Mrs. Dunham died 1995, and her daughter Maya Soetoro Ng (the president’s half-sister, who was born in Indonesia and speaks the native language) inherited her mother’s batiks and has loaned the collection to museums nationwide as a way of teaching the public about Mrs. Dunham’s “ability to merge cultures.”
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/aug/10/green-glover-sister-and-niece-act/

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Maya Soetoro-Ng
Half-sister of Barack Obama, born August 15, 1970, in Jakarta, Indonesia.[40] She has another half-brother, Yusuf, and a half-sister, Aya, from her father’s second marriage. She is married to Konrad Ng, with whom she has a daughter, Suhaila and a son, Savita. Maya Soetoro-Ng is a teacher in Hawaii.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_of_Barack_Obama

[etraveler13]

Much is afoot. Too many people are NOT believing things on fact value, and are checking things for accuracy much more quickly than even the lawyers.
They are tripping up, and cannot even threaten people quick enough to stop the truth flooding the internet. Its not like the old days for sure. People are so far ahead of the printed word these days, that by the time the newspapers print stuff, its 3 days to a week old.
The public is very suspicious, and are far more talented than the forgers or sympathizers. We find out facts faster than they can, because we are doing it 24 hours a day. Time zones are a beautiful thing...Justice never sleeps.

[Seizethecarp]

I have seen claims that Obama’s sister has an HI COLB, but have not seen a link to what I would consider credible evidence. I would like to have links to backup of these claims.

I remember claims that Obama’s Factcheck COLB was forged using Maya's COLB as a starting point.

A claim about Maya's COLB was also footnoted in the Berg's Henninger case that was dismissed, but I haven't seen the source for that.

[MHGinTN]

I'm partial to that image on the right because it is of the first fraud Barry posted on the INternet, the same image which was then altered to add a raised seal when someone brought the error to the attention of the fools posting the fraud for Barry. That image was not however involved int he third exhibit Barry manufactured through Factcheck with the hand on the 'document' foolery. Since Barry tried to use a fraud the first time he posted an supposed CoLB and the second time he posted a supposed CoLB (with raised seal added), why would anyone, much less a fool Georgia Judge named Clay Land believe anything the lying bastard would put forth on his word alone?

That first fraud Barry tried to use as his bonefides is the key to all that follows with this lying affirmative action figure fraud-in-chief.

[editor-surveyor]

Judge Clay Land is obviously a criminal oath breaker.

He’ll do whatever he has to do to protect the non-citizen usurper, as demanded by his owners.

[Seizethecarp]

The problem is getting a judge to agree that a plaintiff has standing to compel discovery of the underlying HI vital records that would reveal just what type of report of birth was made for baby Obama. This requires that the prima facie evidence of the HI short form be overcome by some alternative evidence acceptable to the court, such as a Kenyan BC authenticated according to FRE 902(3).

Kenyan BC authentication requires cooperation of the Kenyan authorities who are notoriously corrupt, likely motivated to hide alleged evidence of Obama’s Kenyan birth if it suites them (bribes?) and in the case of Odinga, Odinga told the BBC that he is Obama’s grandfather is the uncle of Odinga’s mom.

I am hoping that the provenance of the 1964 “Lavender” BC can establish authenticity (proof of age of paper, inks, chain of custody) without resort to the current Kenyan gov’t.

[editor-surveyor]

The real BC has to be available, by federal law.

They just print them out on a standard size sheet with artwork now. The data abstract portion is still the same.

[MHGinTN]

There is no evidence that an Hawaiian long form has ever existed for Barry the bastard.

Having spoken directly with the Hawaiian department of Vital Records, I can assure you that they still have the long form documents like the Nordyke twins on file and will make a photostat copy if ordered from an appropriate source, like a court.

Jon Klein, head of CNN, tried to float the lie that these long forms were destroyed when HI went to electronic filing. But we still don't know if a long form was ever in existence in Hawaii for Barry the bastard liar. He may have only a short form on file, or several, since he was legally adopted by Lolo Soetoro and made an Indonesain citizen when still a child.

[Seizethecarp]

I just posted this on TheRightSideofLife:

Thanks for this link which confirms what the HI vital records site says:

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0013.htm

§338-13 Certified copies. (a) Subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18, the department of health shall, upon request, furnish to any applicant a certified copy of any certificate, or the contents of any certificate, or any part thereof.

(b) Copies of the contents of any certificate on file in the department, certified by the department shall be considered for all purposes the same as the original, subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18.

(c) Copies may be made by photography, dry copy reproduction, typing, computer printout or other process approved by the director of health. [L 1949, c 327, §17; RL 1955, §57-16; am L Sp 1959 2d, c 1, §19; HRS §338-13; am L 1978, c 49, §1]

(Seizethecarp comment cont’d):

HI says the short form is “prima facie evidence of birth in any court proceeding” but that does not mean that the underlying original vital records would not be either:

1. released to the president on his personal request to provide the extra confirmation that may be required to end controversy regarding his unique constitutional eligibility not currently relevent to any other HI citizen

or:

2. discoverable in a court proceeding if the validitiy of the vital record behind the short form is challenged based on evidence (such as an hypothetical authenticated Kenyan BC that would meet FRE 902(3)) or if a court is persuaded that the underlying original vital records are “best evidence” and the short form is not for determining all the facts and circumstances surrounding Obama’s birth, not just a cursory affirmation.

[SaraJohnson]

Whooo, that guy’s diseased lip should be quarenteed!