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EMP Attack Could Wipe Out U.S.
NewsMax ^ | September 9, 2009 | By Ronald Kessler

Posted on 09/09/2009 8:34:08 AM PDT by Fennie

The federal government is doing "nothing" to protect against an electromagnetic pulse (EMP) attack that could wipe out American civilization, Dr. Peter Vincent Pry, a leading expert on the subject, tells Newsmax.

For only $200 million to $400 million, the government could protect a key element of the power grid to keep electrical power from being wiped out for years, according to Dr. Pry, a former staff member of the congressional Commission to Assess the Threat to the United States from Electromagnetic Pulse Attack.

Yet neither Republicans nor Democrats have been willing to spend that small sum, says Pry, who is president EMPACT America, which is meeting in Niagara Falls, N.Y. this week to spotlight the scandal.

A single nuclear bomb exploded over the Midwest would generate an electromagnetic pulse that would destroy the chips that are the heart of every electronic device. While military and intelligence networks may be shielded against EMP, most of the rest of the country's technological infrastructure is not.

An EMP attack would wipe out personal computers and the internet. Cars would not start, gasoline pumps would not work, and airplanes could not take off.

(Excerpt) Read more at newsmax.com ...


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To: NELSON111

A weatherman thinks he’s a nuclear scientist. Wow. Just wow...


161 posted on 09/09/2009 12:07:20 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
If it was in a book, it must be true.

The book was written by a guy who had studied the threat. The introduction was written by Newt Gingrich.

Read the reviews then read the book. When I started reading it I had an attitude similar to yours. By the time I finished my attitude had completely changed.

162 posted on 09/09/2009 12:10:12 PM PDT by 6ppc (It's torch and pitchfork time)
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To: Quix; cripplecreek; Fennie

163 posted on 09/09/2009 12:16:05 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: Nathan Zachary
I KNOW I have a much higher degree of education than you do, I just don't brag about it. Only losers do that.

Uh...like you just did?

BTW...got my PhD in '02.

As far as proving it? OK. Nothing you have posted proved anything of the sort. I did, however, provide a couple of sources that are from experts in the field contradicting your opinion. I am satisfied that those lurking on this thread have seen your opinions countered with facts.

Oh...and CO2 doesn't cause global warming. The reason the globe "warmed" (until 2002) was either 1) natural cycles or 2) a heat island effect being generated by a loss of over 3000 observing sites since the cold war ended.

Good for 30 yrs of experience. I have 22+ in the military working these issues because my primary job is Homeland Security. Maybe you consider the training we get at the DoD and DHS to be home study courses. Guess your WIKI training trumpts all that DoD instruction. That sounds like the opinion a lefty holds of those in the military.

Oh...BTW...there was a truther thread going on earlier. Maybe you can jump in that thread and disagree with all the experts who were trying to tell the other truthers about the science behind it all.

164 posted on 09/09/2009 12:18:47 PM PDT by NELSON111
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To: NELSON111
"That's the point of an EMP...to not kill anyone by "FRYING" them. It won't kill you...just put you back to the 19th century in a microsecond."

No, an EMP wave CANNOT extend very far beyond its energy source. ANY EMP strong enough to cause electronics to fry, and put those who can't function without them back in the 19th century, will also bring with it fatal amounts of radiation at the very least, And because a nuclear blast isn't perfectly flat and predictable so that an EMP wave on the very leading edge of the nuclear shock wave can be perfectly placed, a lot of people will be fried instantly, and death and destruction will taper off as distance from the blast center increases. And again, A nuclear blast that is too far from earth where it doesn't cause any damage from heat and radiation, also won't cause an emp wave that can do any serious damage to power grids and electronics, because, again, an EMP wave cannot extend very far from what is creating it.

It does NOT travel like a microwave.

165 posted on 09/09/2009 12:24:30 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: LucyT

These are the 13 regions or what???

Thanks.


166 posted on 09/09/2009 12:28:19 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: I Buried My Guns
"Please note that old, defunct microwaves act as (because they are) Faraday cages."

So will any card board box that is fully covered with aluminum foil and properly grounded... You just make sure to put a layer of foam rubber or bubble wrap around whatever object inside you wish to protect from the EMP. The aluminum foil absorbs the EMP and runs it to ground, while the contents are protected. Boxes and aluminum foil are a lot cheaper than retrieving old microwave ovens, and they can be had in greater numbers (if you need that many.)

For me, I use them to store an alternator, a voltage regulator, and an electronic ignition module for my 1982 Ramcharger 4x4... And then there is my communication equipment, along with various components needed make receivers and transmitters.

I also keep in mind that the Ramcharger would only be useful for as long as I could get fuel, regardless of whether or not its electronics are still good. But then again, I can make an 85% ethanol mixture with a homebuilt reflux still (manufactured from a large keg, with a T-304 stainless reflux column filled with glass marbles) and a proper "mash" mixture. In the hands of good 'shiner, it can make a liquid that will sooth both man and machine! ;-)

Regards,
Raven6

167 posted on 09/09/2009 12:28:25 PM PDT by Raven6 (The sword is more important than the shield, and skill is more important than either.)
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To: NELSON111
"I have 22+ in the military working these issues because my primary job is Homeland Security."

I have 24 years in the military, so there~ :o)

168 posted on 09/09/2009 12:32:42 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary
No, an EMP wave CANNOT extend very far beyond its energy source.

From the report to congress: "The HEMP effect can span thousands of miles, depending on the altitude and the design and power of the nuclear burst (a single device detonated at an appropriate altitude over Kansas reportedly could affect all of the continental United States...

The Federation of American Scientists, “Nuclear Weapons EMP Effects,” [http://www.fas.org/nuke/intro/nuke/emp.htm].

169 posted on 09/09/2009 12:33:31 PM PDT by NELSON111
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To: Nathan Zachary
I have 24 years in the military, so there~ :o)

You have my AKO info. If you have 24 years in the military (guess you are retired...because you have 30 years in your field and a private company too)...then you know what that is. Use it.

170 posted on 09/09/2009 12:37:18 PM PDT by NELSON111
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To: Raven6
I have one of those too! LoL! I made it from these plans:

http://www.moonshine-still.com/page8.htm An excellent web site for those who want to make some fuel and other stuff. :o)

171 posted on 09/09/2009 12:38:21 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Quix

It is a U.S. power grid map.


172 posted on 09/09/2009 12:40:19 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: LucyT

What’s a “FRCC”?


173 posted on 09/09/2009 12:40:37 PM PDT by GOPJ (Who received the Van Jones FBI reports and who over-ruled the findings? fr:thouworm)
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To: LucyT

What’s a “FRCC”? And why is Florida the only state with it’s own section?


174 posted on 09/09/2009 12:41:19 PM PDT by GOPJ (Who received the Van Jones FBI reports and who over-ruled the findings? fr:thouworm)
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To: MikeWUSAF

>>we have bigger problems than EMP.<<

Amen to that. How bout a dollar devaluation/hyperinflation/double dip recession/rising taxes to cover 12 trillion ( + ) debt.


175 posted on 09/09/2009 12:47:25 PM PDT by servantboy777
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To: LucyT

INTERESTING.

THANKS.


176 posted on 09/09/2009 12:53:32 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Nathan Zachary
"That EMP pulse disaster theeories are fictional garbage. I’d be much more worried of being vaporized than an emp wave that doesn’t extend much beyond the destruction zone of a nuclear blast."

Maybe you need to go back and do a little reading on "Operation Fishbowl", more particularly, a test referred to as "Starfish Prime". This was a high altitude test. Because there is almost no air at an altitude of 400 kilometers, almost no fireball was present. What little fireball that did form was completely spherical in shape. Notable effects: About 1500 kilometers (930 statute miles) away in Hawaii, the electromagnetic pulse created by the explosion was noted as three hundred street lights failed, television sets and radios malfunctioned, burglar alarms went off and power lines fused. On Kauai, the EMP shut down telephone calls to the other islands by burning out the equipment used in a microwave link. This occurred in 1961, when there was no where near the number of semi-conductors in use as we have today, and almost no IC's in use at all. (Today, almost everything has semi-conductors and IC's somewhere in the circuit if there is any electriciy involved in the operation of whatever the piece of equipment might be.) This EMP range was achieved with only a 1.4MT blast.

It is known that the Russians (and their Soviet precursors) tested purposely built EMP weapons that were in the 300MT range. With the entire Russian arsenal being on the market nowadays, I wouldn't bet against someone purchasing an EMP weapon from them - black market or otherwise. (Ever wonder why the Russians and the Chinese still make electronic vacuum tubes? Vacuum tubes can take a hit from an EMP and still function, whereas semi-conductors and IC's can not.)

Raven6

177 posted on 09/09/2009 12:54:15 PM PDT by Raven6 (The sword is more important than the shield, and skill is more important than either.)
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To: Nathan Zachary
"Thats odd, how come it didn’t when we detonated nukes south of Hawaii, and in the ionosphere in the 50’s and 60’s?

Emp attacks are fiction."

The possibility of an EMP attack is just that. A possibility. Now, if you are saying that the EMP effect is fiction, then you are either incredibly ignorant, or being deliberately obtuse.

As for the testing we did back in the "50’s and 60’s", you really should bone up on the difference between fission (atomic) and fusion (hydrogen), and the difference between the two types of bombs. I'm no expert, but even I know THAT not unsubtle difference. We performed many tests back then with a vast array of variables. Not all of the tests we performed were altitude-detonated and not all of the bombs were of the same yield. You might want to check this site out (http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Usa/Tests/Dominic.html) for verification of that, and note this excerpt: "The electromagnetic pulse (EMP) from this test sent power line surges throughout Oahu, knocking out street lighting, blowing fuzes and circuit breakers, and triggering burglar alarms."

And speaking of fiction, (like the show Jericho)....do you 'really' want to get into the subject of how many technologies we have today that heretofore, in the past, were thought of as mere fiction, or rather, as science fiction?

178 posted on 09/09/2009 12:58:12 PM PDT by XenaLee
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To: Nathan Zachary
"I KNOW I have a much higher degree of education than you do, I just don't brag about it."

"It's over 30 years of practical experience I have working in my field, and the thriving business with over 60 employees that does."

Uh....if that isn't bragging....

what IS?

"Only losers do that."

Did you just call yourself a loser then?

179 posted on 09/09/2009 1:09:36 PM PDT by XenaLee
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180 posted on 09/09/2009 1:17:43 PM PDT by LucyT
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