Is another 9/11 set to unfold?

Deseret News ^ | Published: Saturday, Sept. 5, 2009 9:32 p.m. MDT | By Lee Benson

[editor-surveyor]

"I’m pretty sure “the sequel” already happened on 11-04-08."

No, that was merely a necessary step toward enabling the sequel. It gave Al Quaeda pretty much free hand to roam our streets and edifices.

[B-Chan]

The same thought has often crossed my own mind. The hangar area at the city airport here is completely open to the public. I have driven my car from the street directly onto the apron many times, and I could have driven onto the runway if I’d had any reason to. Dozens of general aviation aircraft are parked there — everything from Piper Cubs to Gulfstreams — and it would be child’s play to gain access to them by day or night. Anything could be in those planes — there’s no X-ray, no sniffers, no millimeter-wave radar scanners, no physical barriers, and no security personnel on the flight line.

My question is: why hasn’t it happened already?

[editor-surveyor]

"That is what spreading smallpox here would become, a world-wide disaster."

Only if bed bugs are also spread. (small pox are primatily spread through bed bugs and body lice)

[amom]

Excellent study. Thanks for posting it.

[MHGinTN]

'Sporing' is a trait which allows Small Pox to be weaponized, IIRC. And that doesn't require bed bugs or lice or fleas, or ... well you get the picture. Infected persons traveling to other countries could spread the disease via sputum, etc.

[editor-surveyor]

"Infected persons traveling to other countries could spread the disease via sputum, etc."

From what I've read on small pox, that theory has been pretty soundly refuted. Transmission generally requires subdermal infiltration, which is normally through insects, or open sores in the respiratory system.

[Quix]

No. You were not.

[Quix]

So . . . which part of my most plausible reasons conjectures did you have no appreciation for?

1. The globalist PTB are orchestrating a SCHEDULED SERIES of GREAT CALAMITIES designed to cause as much chaos, death, destruction, fear and result in as much abject submission as possible on the part of the planet’s serfs and slaves.

2. It’s a complex set of operations. And things on the global scene change dynamically all the time—some of them not so precisely controllable even by the super controllers. They must be constantly observing; assessing; tweaking; probing; refining their plans and schedules etc.

3. They MUST have quite a list of ducks to get in a row and keep in a row sufficiently long enough to light of the main first trigger of the main first festivities with all the other festivities following fairly quickly along.

4. And, they are probably following orders from fallen angels and demonic forces if not the still hidden Anti-Christ himself as to when exactly to get the whole show rolling.

5. And, they are also limited by what God will allow when.

6. They really do want to UTTERLY OVERWHELM the populace of the planet and scare/coerce/shoo/drag en masse the survivors into their tyrannical schemes; into their chipped/tagged/enslaved corps of arsewipes etc.

7. They really do want to reduce the population to 200 million globally.

8. They really do NOT want the first bangs to go off per schedule and have the next several to fizzle on the launch pad. They want maximum devastation upon maximum devastation to follow close on the heels of maximum devastation after maximum devastation relentlessly for at least many weeks, if not several months.

[B-Chan]

A nuclear attack on U.S. cities has been a possibility since 1949. The USSR never attacked us because they knew that retaliation against their own country was certain. The Muzis don't have a country. They have many countries, and know that the chance of the United States nuking them all in retaliation in near zero. Should they carry out a nuclear attack, we'd either have to attack a Muslim city or cities at random, or do nothing. That's the bad news.

The good news is that a nuclear attack is completely survivable with no preparation except an alert mind and a will to live. Any terrorist nuke is almost certainly going to be a) small in size and b) limited to a few major cities.

The chances of the Muzis getting their hands on one of the ex=-Soviets' monster city-buster bombs (Yield ≈20 MT) are nil. Those weapons are mostly gone, and the ones that are left are under strict control (and would be impossible for a terrorist cell to transport anyway). Ditto their chances of building such a weapon from scratch -- they're too complex and require too much plutonium and other controlled material to make. This means that a terrorist group is going to be limited to something like a tactical nuclear weapon, i.e. a "small" nuke. A re-purposed Soviet tactical or antiaircraft missile warhead, a nuclear mine, or an atomic torpedo warhead could be turned into a terrorist weapon with minimal modification.

What could such a weapon be like? Since data on Soviet tactical nukes can be scarce, I'll use a U.S. tactical nuke as an example. The W-45 device was a steel barrel 11.5" wide by 27" in diameter, massing from 150 to 350 pounds, and having a variable yield ranging from .5KT to 15KT. Assuming the Muzis could get one and figure out some way to detonate it, something like the W-45 would be ideal for their uses. It could be transported in a van, pickup truck, or the hatchback of a Honda Accord. However, the most likely mode of transport would be to put it in the center of a standard over-the-road freight trailer, surrounded by heavy material to absorb the weapon's neutron radiation "leakage" and lessen the chances of its presence being discovered by freeway and helicopter-borne radiation detectors. Once in the country, the unit's firing circuit could be wired to a barometric altimeter and the whole unit placed into a light aircraft for transport to the target.

For an example of what such a weapon would do, look no further than the Nagasaki bomb. Exploded on 9 August 1945, the weapon exploded at an altitude of 469 meters (1,540 ft) with a yield of 21KT. Everything within one mile of the ground zero was vaporized or turned into dust. Every combustible object (and person) within three miles was burned instantly to a crisp, set on fire, or severely burned. The blast killed about 80,000 people, not counting fallout-related deaths (of which there were not many).

Now imagine that blast going off over a typical American city. I'll use Arlington, Texas as an example. Let's assume a Nagasaki-type airburst. The damage plot looks like this:

Everything within the red circle (1 mile radiuss) gets destroyed, either vaporized or smashed into powder. A few of the heavy concrete structures at the University of Tezas at Arlington remain standing, but their walls are blown out and they are gutted and unsound. Few within this area survive.

Within the orange circle (roughly 2 miles from GZ) everything is on fire. This includes all the government buildings in downtown Arlington, the neighborhoods surrounding the center city, and basically everything in Central Arlington. The Masonic Retirement Home at Fielder and Division is ablaze along with its orchards; the Arlington Memorial Hospital complex at Randol Mill and Cooper is wrecked and burning as well. Many dead and dying rein this area; sadly, blocked roads prevent most outside help from reaching them.

Within the yellow area, most structures still stand, but many have sustained heavy damage and many are on fire. The Parks Mall at Cooper and I-20 is standing, but glass from its overhead skylights has fallen, injuring and killing many shoppers. The Jerrydome and the Ballpark suffer major roof damage, but remain standing and sound; the city's natural gas power plant, water works, and sewage plant have all survived as well. Since this is an airburst, little fallout is produced, but what there is will travel more or less along the same path as the prevailing winds (gray arrow) towards Dallas, some 25 miles away.

Survival in such a disaster would be possible, even for those in the red area. Believe it or not, "duck and cover" actually works. As long as one is not directly exposed ( = line of sight) to the fireball during the explosion and immediately afterwards, one stands a fighting chance. By taking cover in a ditch, culvert, or any other below-ground place at the first instant they react to the flash, a person could survive the blast itself as close in as a thousand yards or so. (Any closer, however, and pretty much everyone will be burnt and crushed to death no matter how they react.) Outside the red area, the main threat is from fire and flying debris -- glass, building materials, etc. Again, taking shelter at once can save lives.

As bad as this event would be, it would not mean the end of the country, Texas, the DFW area, or even Arlington. While the death count would of course be horrific, the radiation levels would be low, and outside help could enter the city immediately. Rebuilding could begin within weeks.

Of course, if a bigger bomb were used, or if the bomb were groundburst, the story would be different. But I think these local threats would pale compared to the psychological shock effect upon the nation. That is where the true danger lies.

[wolfcreek]

I keep thinking of this 1983 made for TV movie. Simple, to the point and no good ending.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Bulletin

[Quix]

what’s your sense of the next 30-60 days?

Dr Pete Peterson’s video on ATS noted that he was told festivities would start in 2001. He’s been in his mountain safe-haven since 1997?

He is certainly well connected enough with the PTB having done and still doing projects for them.

As I’ve thought all along, it’s a very complex situation and a complex decision tree/process.

And that doesn’t even take into account God’s dinking with the destroyers’ plans and means.

NEVERTHELESS . . . FESTIVITIES WILL START at some point.

HOW CLOSE ARE WE TO THAT POINT?

It sure feels to me like the next 30-60 days are far more hazardous than ever before. All the more so vis a vis Israel and Iran.

Then there was the famous UFO researcher’s contention later denied that she’d said such—that the PTB were trying to hold things together until 2012.

Seems to me like 2010 “Selection” would prove to be far too problematic for them if they don’t begin festivities before then and cancel it with martial law.

Your thoughts?

Anyone’s thoughts, impressions, conjectures?

re such . . .

Here’s an interesting video . . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vK6aVIvWPgw

Some prophetic sources are saying that Christians will begin to be hunted down within a year and a half world wide.

[Quix]

Good analysis, imho.

However, I think one of your assumptions is flawed.

You wholesale discount the possibility of 'jihadi's' getting larger bombs and getting them into the country.

1. It's more or less acknowledged that the Russians have bombs in place in the USA already.

2. The globalists use everyone/are everyone at some levels.

3. IF the globalists could not do it any other way--THEY WOULD TAKE THE US'S NUKES OF WHATEVER SIZE IN THE USA AND TURN THEM OVER TO BLACK OPS OR JIHADI'S OR WHOMEVER THEY WISHED TO TAKE THE RAP OR APPEAR TO TAKE THE RAP. Didn't you find the 'misshipped' nukes that some high ranking Air Force guys took the rap for (evidently somewhat wrongly) . . . at least a little interesting?

4. Containers have been pouring through our borders unchecked for a number of years. I think it's doubtful they are all checked, still. EVEN IF A GIVEN CHECK POINT CHECKED ALL CONTAINERS . . . the globalists have the power and means to 'turn the scanners off' for a given container or a given shipload of containers.

5. BTW, I assume you do know and believe that globalists are NOT NICE??? Kennedy was their own to a point but got some uppity patriotic notions and they took him out in a flash.

6. I think OThuga has been set up as an idiot stooge to be the fall guy amidst or after a set of calamities.

7. The video I just posted a link to above had an interesting note--the guy claimed to have been told that festivities would begin 15 Sep 2009 and to get out of major cities before then. Recently I came across the claim that an 03 Army National Guard's CO had told him to get all his relatives out of any major city before the last half of Oct.

8. The puzzle pieces have . . . changed in the last 3-6 months . . . significantly. What it means, I'm not certain of. I am certain it's not window dressing.

9. imho, at last for Christians, it means--win the lost as rapidly and broadly as possible. BE REDEMPTIVE IN ALL RELATIONSHIPS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. REDEEM THE TIME. BE BRIGHT WISE EFFECTIVE LIGHTS FOR THE KING OF KINGS.

10. Look up, watch, be ready, OUR REDEMPTION DRAWS CLOSE. MARANATHA!

[Marysecretary]

Who is this guy?

[Quix]

Rushing off so I won’t check which one he is until later. Maybe this evening.

[Star Traveler]

You were saying ...

NEVERTHELESS . . . FESTIVITIES WILL START at some point.

HOW CLOSE ARE WE TO THAT POINT?

Yes, the "festivities" will start at some point. By "festivities", I'm taking that to mean, that Rapture of the believers in the Messiah of Israel (for one thing) and then the start of the 7-year Tribulation time period, spoken about in Daniel (for the second thing).

The "Rapture" is explained in this FReeper thread -- The Rapture [RAPTURE CAUCUS] for anyone who may not know.

The Rapture happens prior to the beginning of the 7-year Tribulation period of time (at least accorcing to those who see it being a "Pre-Trib Rapture"... :-) ...), and then the beginning of the 7-year Tribulation is marked by the covenant that the Antichrist signs or enforces -- which gives some kind of "protection" for Israel and basically "settles" the issue between the Palestinians and Israelis (at least that's what everyone at the time will think, but they'll find out it's a false peace by a false leader, the Antichrist).

So, how close are we to that point? Well..., the Bible does say that the Rapture is not known as far as the timing, but that it happens prior to the Antichrist coming forward and taking control over the world. All we can see right now is that things are getting "set up" for such a world-wide takeover and world-wide government. It's not exactly clear how long it will be.

But, I think we can all see that it's going to be something that we'll get to see for ourselves and it won't be something that happens a hundred years after we die... LOL...

My personal opinions for the "unknown timing" of the event called the Rapture -- is -- it could be anywhere from this week to a decade from now. Probably not more than a decade. And then the 7-year Tribulation period of time and the Antichrist taking control will be shortly after that, within days or a month or so.

My favorite guess, however is around 2011... :-) ... and that's what it is, a "guess"... because that's all it can be, as the Bible makes it abundantly clear that it will not be known down to the hour or day (but only as to the "season" that we are in, as in the general time frame -- and that general time frame is now...).

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It sure feels to me like the next 30-60 days are far more hazardous than ever before. All the more so vis a vis Israel and Iran.

I still see too many things not quite in place yet. So, while things can get worse by the day and month (and they will), it doesn't mean, necessarily, it's about 30-60 days from happening. We could have a few cities nuked and go into an economic collapse, and it still might not be the right time, yet. So, I'm less inclined to think that something like the Rapture and the beginning of the 7-year Tribulation is 30-60 days from now. But, I'm ready to go, whenever it happens and Jesus comes back to take me out of this world, which is what the Rapture is...

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Then there was the famous UFO researcher’s contention later denied that she’d said such—that the PTB were trying to hold things together until 2012.

Since so many people are speculating on 2012 and almost everyone and their dog and cat (and pet fish) thinks that someone is going to happen in 2012 -- that's the least likely time in my viewpoint... LOL...

If it doesn't happen in 2011, then forget about 2012 and things will settle down and everyone will forget about it for a few years after 2012, and then it will happen suddenly, when no one is thinking about it any longer... :-)

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Seems to me like 2010 “Selection” would prove to be far too problematic for them if they don’t begin festivities before then and cancel it with martial law.

Well, if martial law did happen and the entire U.S. collapsed and a few cities in the U.S. got nuked in the process, and everyone was dying and scrounging around to survivie -- that still wouldn't mean that the Tribulation time had arrived. That sort of stuff has happened with countries over and over again, throughout history. What happens here in the U.S. is not the "time clock" for what God is going to do with Israel. The U.S. doesn't really have too much to do with that. So, maybe the U.S. will sink down into oblivion, while things are still "developing" over in the Middle East and with Israel and with what God's plan for Israel is. It doesn't all have to be related to what is going on in the U.S. ...

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Anyone’s thoughts, impressions, conjectures?

Those were a few... :-)

[Star Traveler]

I never saw it... I guess I’ll have to see if there’s a copy out there somewhere... :-)

[Marysecretary]

LOL, or the Oral office.

[Marysecretary]

No, I never will, Ronnie.

[Marysecretary]

Yeah, me too.

[Marysecretary]

NOTHING happens without God’s permission and timing.